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Nicodemus wants to be God
groinkick:
--- Quote from: jonas on November 19, 2017, 08:21:23 PM ---Dying for someone you love IS pretty selfless even if it IS for your father. Not humanity, not really.
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We don't know their motivation. For all we know he had promised to bring her back through some kind of ritual with the relics. That may have been a lie, or is a real plan. We just don't know.
Proclaiming she died for all of us, and may somehow get a Jesus Mantle goes against everything I have seen from Dresden Files lore.
wardenferry419:
If Deirdre is the Messiah; I'll go wait in line for the first train to Purgatory.
jonas:
--- Quote from: groinkick on November 19, 2017, 08:59:12 PM ---We don't know their motivation. For all we know he had promised to bring her back through some kind of ritual with the relics. That may have been a lie, or is a real plan. We just don't know.
Proclaiming she died for all of us, and may somehow get a Jesus Mantle goes against everything I have seen from Dresden Files lore.
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Nic done said it right to her face, her motivation was love. "you'll be safe here from the enemy." doesn't imply a backdoor plan what so ever. Her motivation was she thought she was helping her dad save the world.... considering YOU directly said much the same
--- Quote ---No.... She didn't die for people. She did it for her father.
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So i'm not sure why your arguing this except your erroneously connecting it to the other idea as below.
I wasn't saying it was Jesus like at all, so mayhaps you should save the argument for those whom do?
Ananda:
--- Quote from: groinkick on November 19, 2017, 08:04:15 PM ---Rising from death, and defeating sin by rising to save humankind is not the same as dying to save the universe as you describe. I also seriously doubt that she did it purely as a selfless act. To think she did it to be selfless goes against everything we have seen from the Denarians to this point.
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She told Dresden that she was trying to save the universe. I think she was unusually candid in her talk with Dresden, revealing herself a bit. She was on the cusp of ultimate sacrifice and so, I think, open. Her selfless sacrifice was for the greater good as she saw it. There are plenty of stories about redemption and change. Why can’t Deirdre’s be one? I don’t actually think this mantle acquisition will happen, but it is parallel adjacent to the myth and it’s not impossible that this sort of selfless sacrifice for the universe is how the jesus mantle is acquired.
And, it could be a fun twist if Deirdre came back as the jesus mantle holder. That would put Nic in the role of the father figure in the trinity. Plenty of posters here predict some sort of redemption for Nic, so why not? It’s not like the mythical figures who have held roles in this construct are fluffy bunny good creatures, after all. They did plenty of petty stuff, wholesale slaughter and nastiness.
Also, keep in mind this is all taking place in a fantasy universe where all this myth and magic is real, not our universe.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: jonas on November 19, 2017, 10:22:21 PM ---Nic done said it right to her face, her motivation was love. "you'll be safe here from the enemy." doesn't imply a backdoor plan what so ever. Her motivation was she thought she was helping her dad save the world.... considering YOU directly said much the same So i'm not sure why your arguing this except your erroneously connecting it to the other idea as below.
I wasn't saying it was Jesus like at all, so mayhaps you should save the argument for those whom do?
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I quoted you, but most of my answer was actually in response to another post. I doubt that her motive was entirely selfless, other than her devotion to her father. That may actually be the biggest evil of all. She did it for him, while he sacrificed her for his self interest. Now with her gone, he's got little left to lose. This may have been more an Anduriel ploy to remove what little humanity Nicodemus had left.
Again I see this all leading to a greater evil, not some sort of good.
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