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A pattern in last 4 books
wardenferry419:
I would say we are in agreement about the cooperation/competition situation.
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Mira on November 01, 2017, 11:13:51 AM ---
I don't think we can judge Harry or any parent saying that he or she would be willing to let the world burn to save his or her child. That isn't selfish, it is called being a parent... It was said at the height of frustration and emotion, only in Harry's case he possibly had the power to do it... The important thing is, he didn't do it and he found another way to save his child.
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Pretty much how I feel about it. Very few atrocities I wouldn't commit to save my kids. And if someone took them? I'd leave a path of destruction in a straight line between me and them that was visible from orbit.
Talby16:
Wow, this is a pretty deep thread. Count me in the "letting the world burn" category when it comes to saving my child. I bear no animosity towards Dresden for saying that. It does not cheapen his character in my eyes. As Mira says, the important thing is that Harry saved his daughter in the most efficient way possible. It did have unintended consequences with regards to the Fomer, but the war was never going to end cleanly no matter which side won.
As for Deirdre, she and Nic are clearly in the end justify the means camp. They sought to save the world by changing the world into one after their own image. Within the Nickelhead camp she will probably go into the books as a savior figure or martyr depending on who you ask. From the outside she will be regarded as a tragedy. Someone who spent their whole life within that "society" and had no real chance to choose a different path. Is it really a sacrifice if the choice is not really a choice at all?
Rasins:
--- Quote from: jonas on October 31, 2017, 07:39:00 PM ---That's just how Harry interpreted it... I think 'the enemy' refers to Nemesis in this case... and is what they are trying to save the world from.
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It's possible that he meant Nemesis, but I really don't think so. Reason being is that if the Outsiders make it inside, ALL of reality is in jeopardy. That would include Hades. It would also include Heaven/Hell. So, she isn't safe from the Enemy if that enemy is nemesis.
On the other hand, she is safe from TWG.
--- Quote from: Ananda on October 31, 2017, 11:09:19 PM ---That's not why she sacrificed herself. Her father just reminded her that she'd be safe from the adversary there as a silver lining (and the enemy or whatever was not defined). She gave her life to save the universe even knowing there is some sort of afterlife in that universe. I think she's the best character in the book. I'd actually read one of the short stories if it was about her and gave her perspective.
She was born into the life of Nic et al. She was just as much a victim as any other. Did she ever have a chance to be something else? I think not. Yet, even growing up as she did, she still chose to be the one who does the right thing as she saw it to save everything and everyone. Things aren't black and white.
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I think Nick's goals were her primary reason for sacrificing herself, however I think avoiding Hell was part of the consideration. Otherwise, why not just sacrifice one of his toungless followers? They are fanatic enough to being willing to die for Nick.
No there was more there than just saving the world.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Rasins on October 31, 2017, 06:06:32 PM ---While Deirdre did allow herself to be sacrificed, it wasn't really all that brave a thing.
Remember she was also attempting to avoid her fate in the hands of TWG by fleeing to another pantheon's afterlife. Further she KNEW there was an afterlife. Granted she didn't think it thought. Hades will give her her just rewards, but it's no lake of fire.
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Yeah, as pointed out, Nic lied to her about her fate in Hades verses if she died and had to face Judgement... Harry even bought into it until Hades assured him that she will get everything coming that she deserved...
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