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Case Books v BAT
wardenferry419:
I would not be surprised if over half of the Senior Council is dead by BAT3.
Cozarkian:
--- Quote from: raidem on October 25, 2017, 10:28:28 PM ---I like your ideas. In another thread, it was mentioned that what we are reading is Harry's journals. So the events from Harry the writer's perspective have already happened. The time travel book has already happened. So, we are reading from a layered point of view, one that is Harry immediately in the moment, Harry that is reflecting on his past knowing more about these events and the fates of certain players.
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That is true for the case books. One of my guesses is that we will see Harry sit down and start to write his journals after the case books and before the BAT.
--- Quote from: Ananda on October 25, 2017, 11:04:05 PM ---I think Butcher will stick with first person past tense point of view. Can you imagine if the story were to be told in first person, present tense? That would be too annoying. And, if a witness recounts Dresden’s exploits, that would gut the inner dialogue of the main character from the dramatic conclusion. Third person limited perspective would also be a jarring tonal change. So, I think it will stay first person, past tense. How Butcher makes that work if your theory about his potential death is right, I don’t know.
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You can write in first person past tense without it being a narration of past events recorded in a journal - see the Codex Alera for an example. You are probably right it won't be a third person point of view - I just think it will take place after Harry finishes his journals and before he starts on a second set.
--- Quote from: wardenferry419 on October 25, 2017, 11:37:35 PM ---I don't expect their to be significant time gaps between the three BAT books. I would not be surprised if all three take place within a one year period. Kinda like the Dragonlance Chronicles.
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I don't either. I think there will be a time gap between the case books and the BAT - long enough for Harry to write his journals. However, with the right NN circumstances, Harry could write his journals and train his magic without a substantial passage of time in the real world.
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Ananda on October 25, 2017, 11:04:05 PM ---I think Butcher will stick with first person past tense point of view. Can you imagine if the story were to be told in first person, present tense? That would be too annoying.
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One of the worst trends over the past few years is the rise of first person present tense, the second most hated perspective (after second person future tense, which, as far as I know, has never been used in anything but flash fiction and CYOA stories, and might as well be mythical). It's super tedious and obnoxious to read, and doesn't add a thing to any text it's used in. It's my biggest complaint about the Iron Druid Chronicles, which I otherwise kind of just liked.
Anyway, I think the Big Apocalyptic Trilogy will be in first person past tense, but from multiple POVs. Jim has had a lot of practice throughout the short stories writing from Thomas, Molly, Murphy, and Marcone's perspectives (and Luccio? I haven't read any that will be in Brief Cases yet, so I don't know if hers was from her POV). I think the Trilogy will shift points of view from chapter to chapter—which will be fun, because none of the other shorts from other perspectives also have Harry as a character doing things (except for Thomas's, for like, a half a paragraph), so it'll be cool to see Harry do stuff from the outside. My favorite parts of Aftermath were Murphy narrating about the way Harry works and how weird it is.
Because the BAT is supposed to be the grand sendoff, I wouldn't be surprised if Jim let us see Harry be awesome from a spectator's position—make us sit back and watch the show for a minute—instead of reading Harry's constant narration explaining what he's doing, why he's doing it, and how it's happening.
It can still be reconciled with Harry's journals; have this be his project to gather everyone's journals and publish a record of what happened. [WAG: That way, people will know and believe in Harry and his God Mantle will retain more power (like Mab's Brothers Grimm gambit).]
raidem:
The BAT could also be part of written record assembled by the Archive. In that way, we are actually allowed to view things through multiple people's perspective with a in-universe reason for the shift.
It went from Harry's journals to Archive recall of a variety of journals.
Kindler:
--- Quote from: raidem on October 26, 2017, 04:06:41 PM ---The BAT could also be part of written record assembled by the Archive. In that way, we are actually allowed to view things through multiple people's perspective with a in-universe reason for the shift.
It went from Harry's journals to Archive recall of a variety of journals.
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Sure, why not? There's plenty of in-universe justifications that can be done for it, if Jim thinks it's necessary. It may not be. It may never be outright stated in the books that these are, in fact, Harry's journals. It may just be confirmed (or kinda handwaved and alluded to in a Jim Butcher kind of way) that this is the case at book signings and such.
EDIT: For clarity, I mean that while there are plenty of justifications that can be used, they may not be needed. It depends on whether Jim wants to reference the fact that the books are, actually, books that exist within the Dresden Files universe.
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