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Mab/Murphy Ironies
wardenferry419:
I remember that from last year. Definitely a keeper.
raidem:
--- Quote from: raidem on October 28, 2017, 08:41:17 PM ---Ok, I have a problem with this WOJ. Many theories are based off the belief that Jim agreed with what the questioner posed, namely that the "Sidhe and Mab came from origins like Toot Toot" or more particularly that "Mab came from origins like Toot Toot." The issue with that is Jim never said this in this WOJ, he never exactly said that in the WOJ that is similar to this. We only assume Jim agreed with the Mab was Toot Toot size, which we know is contradicted both by Mab was human once, and that the original Mab participated in an event along with other Queens to establish their base of power using the Stone Table. It is our faulty assumption that assumed Mab was ever Toot Toot size.
Other pertinent WOJ's that tie into argument.
Sidhe having Toot Toot like origins in general is correct.
Again, Toot gets big from influence in the world similar to the sidhe. Jim mentions Mab wasn't always as big as she is now. (I distinctly remember a smiley face here for some reason) Anyways, this is where people jump to the conclusion that Mab was a tiny fairie as Shakespeare once described. It's a faulty assumption. We now have WOJ- that says "Shakespeare didn't know what he was talking about." This was a general statement by Jim so not specific to any one thing but I think we can safely assume Shakespeare didn't accurately depict the nature of Faerie.
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raidem:
Read this, I included it above.
Again, Toot gets big from influence in the world similar to the sidhe. Jim mentions Mab wasn't always as big as she is now. (I distinctly remember a smiley face here for some reason) Anyways, this is where people jump to the conclusion that Mab was a tiny fairie as Shakespeare once described. It's a faulty assumption. We now have WOJ- that says "Shakespeare didn't know what he was talking about." This was a general statement by Jim so not specific to any one thing but I think we can safely assume Shakespeare didn't accurately depict the nature of Faerie.
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Q: How big will Toot get?
A: Depends on how much influence he has in the world. That’s how the sidhe gain their size and power. Mab wasn’t always as big as she is now.
I have more to say regarding your reply. I'll add it here...
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The Queens seem to be seperate from the rest of the Fae. Even the Erlking seems more closely related to other Fae than the Queens
There is one WOJ that pertains to this. Let me get it. It has humans being the origin of most of the Fae.
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WOJ: Ok, do they automatically become Fae, do they lose their soul? The answer to that question is “sort of”. Um, it’s automatic, but not necessarily instant. Mab herself was human once, and she eventually became the, uh, the fun-loving Mab that we all know. So, a lot of it has to do with who you are when you go into it, because most of the Fae were human once. A lot were born as half-bloods and decided to become Fae and sort of automatically got their mantle for free, but all the other fae who were there, including the Erl and several others, who were at one point humans….So, a lot of this is going to depend on who they might end up being, a lot of it depends on who they are going into it and what kind of will they have to maintain who they are. That’s going to be a big deal. I’m really looking forward to writing the next books so I can see what happens with Molly, ‘cause I’m really not sure yet, I have a vague idea of what’s gonna happen, because basically she just got handed the largest, unruliest crowd of little brothers and sisters to deal with ever.
raidem:
--- Quote from: raidem on October 28, 2017, 09:15:57 PM ---You are referring to this WOJ somewhat.
Yes, if Mab=Murphy true then Jim may be giving a clue to us, with ironic humor, that Mab's identity was a short/small one, aka Tiny. Some then didn't get the 'clue' and believed he meant Mab was Toot Toot like, I took it as a reference to Murphy instead. I like your explanation of how Murphy would grow in size. I view it, in combination with your explanation, as the Queen mantle altering Murphy's genetics, biology, to make her in fact the Mab archetype. It's sort of how Summer Lady mantle morphs Lily into looking like Aurora.
So, it could also explain why Maeve and Sarissa wouldn't look like Murphy necessarily. Murphy would have already been Mab 750+ years for the mantle to shape her genetics, biology. So her kids would look very close to an archetype of a Faerie Princess with the caveat that they had a mortal father. Therefore, her kids (Sarissa and Maeve) when they chose and while wielding a mantle wouldn't change so much in appearance as they had very strong exposure to Fae genetics.
Crap, I have to move this over to Mab/Ironies. Move discussion over there please.
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wardenferry419:
How does Murphy go over a thousand years into the past? How does she find herself in a situation where she has enough Fae connection to assume a Queen Mantle? How does she skip over being Lady or does she? Does this tie into the twitter comment about him writing "Murphy's funeral?" These are questions that would need answers to proceed from point A which is Murphy's present situation to point B which is the main point of your theory.
Murphy _____________________________>
B _____________________________________>
/ Mab \
A ---------------------------------------------------------------
< Murphy
I sort of temporal loop in which Mab and Murphy intertwine due to interactions.
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