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Mab/Murphy Ironies
Kindler:
--- Quote from: wardenferry419 on October 30, 2017, 02:43:28 PM ---Escape could be one option. My preferred option is that the dreams of mortals drew these outsiders to us like a beacon of curiousity.
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I missed this earlier. Harry's conversation with He Who Walks Behind seems to indicate that Outsiders used to own this universe, if not this reality:
--- Quote ---"This isn't your world," I whispered.
"Not now," He Who Walks Behind murmured, its smile widening. "But it will be ours again in just a little time."
-Ghost Story, page 300 on Nook. Emphasis added.
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If he is to be believed, "again" means "once more," ergo Outsiders used to be here in greater numbers and were the top dogs, before something banished them. Now they're trying to get back in and back on top.
So... did they run things when mortals were here? Were they banished by mortal magic, and is that why only mortal magic can summon them? Did TWG send them packing? Are we talking about primordial soup time, or just pre-Kadesh Hittite Empire times? Do they predate the planet? Or is this a situation where the Outside and the Inside used to be one big place, and the Big Powers That Be created the multiverse with Gates to keep them out as a separate space from them?
From their description, I have zero trouble believing that they're the same set of Outsiders that were previously kicked out of reality; time is just a flat circle from the Outside, to borrow a quote from True Detective's good season, so it's not like they'd necessarily experience it linearly.
Anyway, the Outsiders' nature is very, very interesting to me. Personally, I'm waiting for Harry to call the next one Ponyboy or Sodapop.
jonas:
--- Quote from: wardenferry419 on November 14, 2017, 08:24:14 PM ---Justine?
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Didn't she yea when she threatened him in GP to save Thomas?
wardenferry419:
I forgot that one.
raidem:
This is a thread on Queen Succession Rules. It touches on a case in which all three Queen mantles are up for grabs simultaneously. (For the past, the focus is on Summer as Mother Summer abdicated at one point which may coincide when or around the time both Mab and Titania die). It also delves into the rules regarding when exactly the Lady mantle is destroyed by the Lady. It coincided per Mab with the Lady "becoming a mother". This in my view is defined as having given birth. Therefore I believe it is theoretically possible for the Lady to conceive but just not give birth and the Lady mantle remains safe.
http://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,50745.0.html
The following thread is an approach where I ask people to disprove particular theories using in book text. WOJ may be used to support arguments too but should be used warily as Jim can be crafty, imprecise, mistaken or we the same etc when citing them. The main theory to disprove that I put forward is the Murphy=Mab theory. The other theory put forward so far is the Simon=Cowl theory.
http://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,50739.0.html
raidem:
--- Quote ---For just a fraction of a second, Maeve’s smug exterior changed, becoming graver, more somber. In that instant, she and Lily looked as though they might have been fraternal twins. “With absolute certainty.”
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I'm thinking the Queen mantles are to be considered 'twins' which may allow Jim's WOJ about Mab and Titania being 'actual twin sisters' being less restrictive than thought as it comes to the possibility that Murphy may TT into the past to become a Winter Lady, and then assume the Mab mantle. Or, same argument could be used for Molly.
(included in another thread)
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