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What if it isn't just power over Outsiders?

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groinkick:

--- Quote from: Rasins on October 03, 2017, 04:46:29 PM ---Knowing that Jim doesn't want Harry to be a big fish in a big pond makes me think that even power over Outsiders will be limited.

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Well I don't believe that's entirely accurate.  For the stories he want's Harry to be just powerful enough to survive, but has grown his power while simultaneously increasing the powers he is up against.  By series end, where Harry has developed his full potential is what I am talking about.  I'm not saying he will be on par with TWG, Uriel, or the Mothers.  I do think he may be up there on par with Odin, and maybe even Mab.  However that will ONLY be by the end, and not earlier.  That power might not be pure, raw magical power but a combination of things like his free will, allies, mantles, knowledge, magical ability, magical objects ect...  I do think he'll probably be the most powerful pure wizard by series end though.

Rasins:
Oh, I understand, GK ... I'm just thinking about Jim's having said what he's said.  Small fish in a big pond.

groinkick:

--- Quote from: Rasins on October 03, 2017, 07:38:33 PM ---Oh, I understand, GK ... I'm just thinking about Jim's having said what he's said.  Small fish in a big pond.

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Well I think he enjoys the underdog finding ways to win, and a gritty story where the protagonist takes a horrible beating before finally achieving victory.  That's difficult to do if he's like superman.  Also he likes to torture his reader.  I still think Harry will be a big bad mofo, but it won't be until around the end.  Might not be the biggest fish in the pond, but will still be a shark.

Phariah:
I have been saying for awhile that the Starborn is more than just a counter to the Outsiders. I mean he is able to generate faith magic through his faith in magic as we have seen w/ his pentagram countering vamps. that could be an extension of his will as well. his use of multiple elemental magics. I mean is there an element he has not yet used? I think wood/ nature maybe. his use of multiple elements in succession is well beyond something a young wizard should be able to use. Lea, " anyone can play w/ an element. few can manipulate opposites w/ such ease." he is versed in mental magic combat as well as necromancy. he has used Hellfire and is currently using Soulfire. he learned how to be a ghost and utilize memories. I mean is there a power he has yet to learn how to use? Starborn, child of the stars, child of the universe. sorry but yeah he is very much an all around terror. is this natural ability as a gifted wizard or is it because he is Starborn.

think Capt Planet except as a wizard.:D

Avernite:

--- Quote from: Froklsnt on October 03, 2017, 07:08:06 PM ---I think Snark Knight and jonas are right that we've got pretty compelling evidence for Harry having the power of naming. The eye flashes of Alfred and Erl as Harry named them, Mr. Sunshine's fear of being called Uri, etc. Naming in the bible was a power given to Adam over beasts in Genesis, it came directly from TWG. Maybe there's a connection there.

I also think Kindler might be on to something, noting Harry's similarity to Odin and other divine beings. Harry is the only mortal we have seen wielding raw will, as opposed to magic. Other than Harry, we've seen raw will from:

Ferrovax
Odin
Red King / LoON
Mother Winter
The Walkers

There might be one or two others (Mab maybe?) but it has been limited to nigh-immortals and Harry. Given that summoning Outsiders seems to be tied to mortals and their "free will," it seems to me that "power over Outsiders" could actually be "the ability of a mortal to directly apply their will," or "a mortal with enough will to effectively apply it directly." It is after beating Sharkface in a battle of wills that the Erlking says "Well done, Starborn!"  Naming seems to fit in with being a will-based power as well.

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Leah probably deployed Will, or her disguise at Chichen Itza would have been poor indeed.

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