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How far can Mab go to seek revenge on a mortal?
KurtinStGeorge:
I have a more specific question I'm seeking an answer to. So I'd like to get some opinions from the group mind. This is about Mab personally killing a mortal rather than sending her Knight to do the job. In Summer Knight we get this exchange between Bob and Harry:
"A Sidhe Knight is mortal," Bob said. "A champion of one of the Sidhe Courts. He gets powers in line with his Court, and he's the only one who is allowed to act in affairs not directly related to the Sidhe."
"Meaning?"
"Meaning that if one of the Queens wants an outsider dead, her Knight is the trigger man."
I frowned. "Hang on a minute. You mean that the Queens can't personally gun down anyone who isn't in their Court?"
"Not unless the target does something stupid like make an open-ended bargain without even trying to trade a baby for - "
"Off topic, Bob. Do I or don't I have to worry about getting killed this time around?"
"Of course you do," Bob said in a cheerful tone. "It just means that the Queen isn't allowed to actually, personally end your life. They could, however, trick you into walking into quicksand and watch you drown, turn you into a stag and set the hounds after you, bind you into an enchanted sleep for a few hundred years, that kind of thing."
Of course Bob doesn't know everything. He thought the Summer Knight does the same job for Titania that the Winter Knight does for Mab. So here is what I'm wondering about. Mab was furious about her daughter being tainted by Nemesis. Lea told Harry she went gonzo on the Red Court at Chicken Pizza because Lea owed them payback for Bianca giving her such a "treacherous gift." However, I'm mostly concerned with Mab here.
So if Mab became aware that a pair of mortal wizards handled the item which tainted Maeve through Lea, how far would she be allowed to go to seek vengeance against them, assuming it could be proven that at least one of them was part of the plot to taint Lea? While it was done in a stealthy manner, I would say that giving Lea the tainted Athame was a direct attack against the Winter Court and therefore it would be considered to be an act directly concerned with the Sidhe. Do you think Mab would need to tell Harry to kill the people involved or could she could do the job herself, and not just indirectly by turning Cowl into a stag and setting the hounds after him; which now that I think about sounds like something Lea might do.
I'm assuming if Lea found out first she wouldn't need Harry or anyone else to seek vengeance for her, though Cowl might be a handful for Lea to deal with on her own. Discus.
forumghost:
She probably wouldn't need to tell Harry to do it, but she probably would anyway- and find herself somewhat nonplussed when Harry is, (for the first time ever) actually on board with her.
"Soo... you want me to kill Cowl?"
"Correct."
"Sure"
"..."
"What?"
"It is nothing my Knight."
"You're mad that you don't have to use whatever elaborate blackmail scheme you came up with to force me into this aren't you?"
groinkick:
--- Quote from: KurtinStGeorge on September 17, 2017, 12:04:26 AM ---I have a more specific question I'm seeking an answer to. So I'd like to get some opinions from the group mind. This is about Mab personally killing a mortal rather than sending her Knight to do the job. In Summer Knight we get this exchange between Bob and Harry:
"A Sidhe Knight is mortal," Bob said. "A champion of one of the Sidhe Courts. He gets powers in line with his Court, and he's the only one who is allowed to act in affairs not directly related to the Sidhe."
"Meaning?"
"Meaning that if one of the Queens wants an outsider dead, her Knight is the trigger man."
I frowned. "Hang on a minute. You mean that the Queens can't personally gun down anyone who isn't in their Court?"
"Not unless the target does something stupid like make an open-ended bargain without even trying to trade a baby for - "
"Off topic, Bob. Do I or don't I have to worry about getting killed this time around?"
"Of course you do," Bob said in a cheerful tone. "It just means that the Queen isn't allowed to actually, personally end your life. They could, however, trick you into walking into quicksand and watch you drown, turn you into a stag and set the hounds after you, bind you into an enchanted sleep for a few hundred years, that kind of thing."
Of course Bob doesn't know everything. He thought the Summer Knight does the same job for Titania that the Winter Knight does for Mab. So here is what I'm wondering about. Mab was furious about her daughter being tainted by Nemesis. Lea told Harry she went gonzo on the Red Court at Chicken Pizza because Lea owed them payback for Bianca giving her such a "treacherous gift." However, I'm mostly concerned with Mab here.
So if Mab became aware that a pair of mortal wizards handled the item which tainted Maeve through Lea, how far would she be allowed to go to seek vengeance against them, assuming it could be proven that at least one of them was part of the plot to taint Lea? While it was done in a stealthy manner, I would say that giving Lea the tainted Athame was a direct attack against the Winter Court and therefore it would be considered to be an act directly concerned with the Sidhe. Do you think Mab would need to tell Harry to kill the people involved or could she could do the job herself, and not just indirectly by turning Cowl into a stag and setting the hounds after him; which now that I think about sounds like something Lea might do.
I'm assuming if Lea found out first she wouldn't need Harry or anyone else to seek vengeance for her, though Cowl might be a handful for Lea to deal with on her own. Discus.
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Bob may have over stated what Mab could do too.... Maeve for example who is quite vindictive needed a mortal to screw up directly. Notice she tried to trick Harry into sleeping with her but didn't do something to trick him into trying, like making herself look like a different woman.
jonas:
--- Quote from: groinkick on September 17, 2017, 04:51:10 AM ---Bob may have over stated what Mab could do too.... Maeve for example who is quite vindictive needed a mortal to screw up directly. Notice she tried to trick Harry into sleeping with her but didn't do something to trick him into trying, like making herself look like a different woman.
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That would be lying... ::)
And that rule as it's explained should only apply to people not affiliated with the courts or bargaining with them. Mab can't choose to kill a mortal, but if a mortal offers sufficient insult can she not take what is due? ???
groinkick:
--- Quote from: jonas on September 17, 2017, 05:16:59 AM ---That would be lying... ::)
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As Jim has stated about Mab, she cannot lie but she can be mistaken. Same can be said for Bob.
--- Quote ---Mab can't choose to kill a mortal, but if a mortal offers sufficient insult can she not take what is due? ???
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No.... For the same reason Molly cannot sleep with someone no matter how horny she is... Mab is bound. Haven't seen a single instance of Mab actually doing what Bob suggested she can do.
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