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groinkick:
Quote from the story:

"The Venatori Umbrorum were a secret society of their own, steeped in the occult, quietly working against the supernatural forces that threatened humanity.  "

"the Thule Society was more or less a long-time foe, using their resources to attempt to use supernatural powers to their own benefit"

Kemmler, and Grevane were members of this Thule Society.  Luccio knew who they were as well, which makes me wonder something.  As commander of the Wardens it's almost certain that Eb knows about them too, and yet he lets Harry call them the Black Council and didn't share with him who the Thule Society is...  I guess it's possible he believed them destroyed, but seems unlikely.  He's too smart to believe they are completely gone, so why not tell Harry?  Perhaps he hasn't connected that the Thule Society is the Black Council?  Again, seems unlikely he wouldn't make the connection.

Anyways what do you think?  Maybe the Black Council is not the Thule Society but it seems likely to me.


Don't know if this is of importance because of the timeline issues:

The Thule Society (/ˈtuːlə/; German: Thule-Gesellschaft), originally the Studiengruppe für germanisches Altertum ("Study Group for Germanic Antiquity"), was a German occultist and völkisch group in Munich right after World War I, named after a mythical northern country from Greek legend.

They are tied to Nazi's and Kemmler was supposed to be involved with the both world wars.

LordDresden2:

--- Quote from: groinkick on September 02, 2017, 07:24:06 PM ---Quote from the story:

"The Venatori Umbrorum were a secret society of their own, steeped in the occult, quietly working against the supernatural forces that threatened humanity.  "

"the Thule Society was more or less a long-time foe, using their resources to attempt to use supernatural powers to their own benefit"

Kemmler, and Grevane were members of this Thule Society.  Luccio knew who they were as well, which makes me wonder something.  As commander of the Wardens it's almost certain that Eb knows about them too, and yet he lets Harry call them the Black Council and didn't share with him who the Thule Society is...  I guess it's possible he believed them destroyed, but seems unlikely.  He's too smart to believe they are completely gone, so why not tell Harry?  Perhaps he hasn't connected that the Thule Society is the Black Council?  Again, seems unlikely he wouldn't make the connection.

Anyways what do you think?  Maybe the Black Council is not the Thule Society but it seems likely to me.


Don't know if this is of importance because of the timeline issues:

The Thule Society (/ˈtuːlə/; German: Thule-Gesellschaft), originally the Studiengruppe für germanisches Altertum ("Study Group for Germanic Antiquity"), was a German occultist and völkisch group in Munich right after World War I, named after a mythical northern country from Greek legend.

They are tied to Nazi's and Kemmler was supposed to be involved with the both world wars.

--- End quote ---

It's not likely that the Thule Society is the Black Council per se.  There may be extensive overlap in terms of membership, but the Thule Society isn't likely to be any great secret to the Council.  The Thule Society were indeed tied up in the foundation of the Nazi movement, too.  They aren't a secret as such, they're even publically known to exist, or have existed.

We don't even know what the Black Council is.  It's just a name Harry and Eb apply to their mysterious enemies, they could as easily have named them the Brotherhood of the Wombat, either name would be as good as the other for an unknown group.  (Though the phrase 'black council' is so natural that it's obvious other people use it, Morgan had heard it used as he revealed in Turn Coat, so has the Merlin.)

There's a body called the Circle, that's their own name for themselves, but all we know about them is that they exist, and that information comes through Madrigal Raith and his teammates.  Harry tends to assume that 'the Circle' is what he and Eb call the Black Council, but he can't be sure.

Con:
I think the Thule Society is a more distinct and specific society of German sorcerers headed up by Kemmler, who are also responsible for both World Wars.

The Black Council otherwise known as the Circle is a group of several factions or several individuals within those factions who want power and aren't afraid of breaking the Laws of Magic to do so particularly regarding the laws of Killing, Enthralling and most importantly Outsiders.

I don't think the Thule Society is the Black Council but I do believe they were members of it.

jonas:
*face palm* what was it, ghost busters meets Constantine or...? Ya know who the Thule society was? you remember what they DID? gah, i'm off to go watch ghostbusters.
Harry is the keymaster!!!! lol

groinkick:

--- Quote from: Con on September 03, 2017, 04:53:49 AM ---I think the Thule Society is a more distinct and specific society of German sorcerers headed up by Kemmler,

--- End quote ---

One of them was British, I believe.

Venatori Umbrorum are fighting the Oblivion war aren't they?  Fighting the Old Gods?  If the Thule Society is in deed the opposite, wouldn't it stand to reason that they are the ones working for them?  Just seems weird to think that the Thule Society is on the opposite side of the Venatori, but are no longer relevant.  The name drop by Jim seems important.  If it doesn't move the story forward why even mention them?

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