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Snark Knight:

--- Quote from: raidem on August 31, 2017, 01:06:02 AM ---Like Jonas, I have pointed out the possibility that Lucio could have been compromised and location of camp leaked.

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Still after Cowl's first appearance in DB and the allusion to having read Warden threat assessments on Harry.

jonas:

--- Quote from: Snark Knight on August 30, 2017, 11:06:36 PM ---Luccio wasn't compromised until after that conversation. And while Peabody was a Circle traitor, I think he must have been operating in a different cell of the organization than Cowl.
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Oh? an now we have proof when Luccio was compromised do we? So Peabody playing the long game getting everyone who signed papers under his ink including ever single warden who checked in at headquarters would just not include Luccio at any point in time prior? Except Cowl is the one who took the ghouls to camp Kaboom, showing a definite connection between cowl and the WC traitors.
--- Quote ---It simply doesn't make sense that finding Die Lied Der Erlking was important to Cowl if he was already getting regular document dumps from the guy who wrote it.

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The guy who miswrote the title lol? How about the fact they were both tracking down and taking care of all the other copies in existence? Lacking in photographic memory whom would attempt to summon a being of EK's strength whom you've never called upon before?  Or the fact Cowl was surmised by Harry to understand things about he dark hallow that wasn't even wrote down In the word by either Laciel's translation or Grevene's lack of outward comment?(which was planned long before he actually got ahold of E-Bob btw)
So.. what do we have again? The idea Peabody and Cowl were in separate splinter cells and information was NOT passed between them by a mutual handler?

Griffyn612:

--- Quote from: Snark Knight on August 30, 2017, 11:06:36 PM ---Luccio wasn't compromised until after that conversation. And while Peabody was a Circle traitor, I think he must have been operating in a different cell of the organization than Cowl. It simply doesn't make sense that finding Die Lied Der Erlking was important to Cowl if he was already getting regular document dumps from the guy who wrote it.

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Cowl didn't need a copy for himself.  He was trying to remove copies that the others could use.  They'd been gathering the copies for weeks, if I recall.

Snark Knight:

--- Quote from: jonas on August 31, 2017, 02:00:38 AM ---Oh? an now we have proof when Luccio was compromised do we?

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At some point after getting bodyswapped. The part that proves it is where the text of TC outright says it was the bodyswap that made her vulnerable to influence, where an older wizard's mind would normally have been too set in its ways to be forcibly altered like that. Morgan is full of self-recrimination over not predicting that could be an issue.



--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on August 31, 2017, 02:24:33 AM ---Cowl didn't need a copy for himself.  He was trying to remove copies that the others could use.  They'd been gathering the copies for weeks, if I recall.

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There's a considerable distance between what he says about his motivations in front of Kumori in that scene, and what he actually does later. Early on he claims to be trying to foil the others by removing the books, but in the end he actually preferred to see someone else risk the Erlking's wrath by doing the actual summoning, and swoop in himself at the last moment of the Darkhallow. If you reread him talking to Harry after knocking him on the head in Murphy's back yard - when Kumori wasn't around to have her impression that he's trying to use dark power to do good ruined by him talking honestly - he's quite open that he can work with one of the other two doing the summoning step, but he had to stop Harry foiling that.

Now, maybe he's just insane due to nemfection, and his actions are all over the map. But personally, I think his efforts to get other copies out of circulation were primarily for the sake of maintaining Kumori's illusions about his real motives so she would stay obedient, rather than a significant interest in denying the summoning incantation to other players.

jonas:

--- Quote ---At some point after getting bodyswapped. The part that proves it is where the text of TC outright says it was the bodyswap that made her vulnerable to influence, where an older wizard's mind would normally have been too set in its ways to be forcibly altered like that. Morgan is full of self-recrimination over not predicting that could be an issue.

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Indeed but he was already hard at work on all the WC power structure long before she became a liability.

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