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Which absent villian will appear in Peace Talks?
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Rasins on September 01, 2017, 03:27:10 PM ---Oh, I hope the Harry / Karrin thing doesn't protect Harry. Not because I don't want them both to be happy but because it's been kind of stressed in the books that True Love is extremely rare, and Harry has already experienced it. Further, I think Karrin isn't really capable of it any more. She can love Harry, but for it to be THAT form, I don't think it'll happen.
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True Love isn't all that rare. Many people experience it more than once in their lives.
What the books stress is that 'romantic love', the fantasy peddled by Hollywood, romance novels, the advertising industry, etc. is not the real thing (which is true). Many married couples come to genuinely love each other, but this happens after they marry at least as often as before, as the real thing grows and replaces infatuation.
I don't doubt that Harry and Karrin could protect each other...or could have at one time. Like you, I'm not so sure they still could.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: wardenferry419 on September 02, 2017, 12:02:57 AM ---Maybe it is just my jaded side but I would say that true love happens more readily with the young. Experience tends to complicate simplicity.
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Actually, I would say the opposite.
The real thing requires some knowledge of who the other person really is. Some experience of that person. I would say you'll find the real thing far more often among old married couples who have been together for 30 years than 22 year old newlyweds who can't keep their hands off each other.
What young people 'feel' is usually not the real thing. The real thing is not even exactly a feeling. It's rarely passionate, though it can be. It's more about what you give than what you get. It can require that you give up the other person just readily as it can keep you together. Often it's something that is as much about treasuring the other person's flaws as their virtues.
It's got nothing at all to do with what Madison Avenue peddles.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Rasins on September 02, 2017, 02:10:40 AM ---Agreed.
I know it's a dumb thing to say, but I watched the show "Sabrina" for several episodes, and one of them had "True Love" as the only cure.
Of course it was between two 16 year olds, and one of the aunt/witches said, "It's always true love at that age."
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And that's exactly where the show got it wrong.
What 16 year olds feel is very rarely genuine Love. It's more often self-focused, all about feelings and emotions and no little bit of physical lust. All of which can certainly coexist with the Love, but are not really of it. At least as often as not, what 16 year olds feel is for a fantasy of who the other person is rather than the reality.
Exceptions exist. I'm pretty sure Harry genuinely Loved Elaine when they were teens (can't be as sure about her, we don't know her POV on the matter). He was ready to fight Justin for her, after all, which is the next thing to suicide for a 16 year old apprentice Wizard.
Molly thought she was in Love with Harry as a teen, but she was not. She might really be, now.
Rasins:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on September 02, 2017, 05:47:06 AM ---And that's exactly where the show got it wrong.
What 16 year olds feel is very rarely genuine Love. It's more often self-focused, all about feelings and emotions and no little bit of physical lust. All of which can certainly coexist with the Love, but are not really of it. At least as often as not, what 16 year olds feel is for a fantasy of who the other person is rather than the reality.
Exceptions exist. I'm pretty sure Harry genuinely Loved Elaine when they were teens (can't be as sure about her, we don't know her POV on the matter). He was ready to fight Justin for her, after all, which is the next thing to suicide for a 16 year old apprentice Wizard.
Molly thought she was in Love with Harry as a teen, but she was not. She might really be, now.
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I really do understand what you are saying.
That being said, I believe that the 16-year old love IS true. It may not be mature, but it is true. Yes it is at times wrapped up with a bit of hormones and selfishness, but it's also very strongly felt and THEY think it's true.
A lot of magic is dependent upon belief. No real reason this couldn't work based on belief as well.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Rasins on September 01, 2017, 03:27:10 PM ---Oh, I hope the Harry / Karrin thing doesn't protect Harry. Not because I don't want them both to be happy but because it's been kind of stressed in the books that True Love is extremely rare, and Harry has already experienced it. Further, I think Karrin isn't really capable of it any more. She can love Harry, but for it to be THAT form, I don't think it'll happen.
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Nicodemus pushed her buttons pretty effectively by threatening Harry.
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