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Bob's Personality, and Justin
Zaphodess:
--- Quote from: Quantus on August 23, 2017, 11:47:55 AM ---New Question: Would Slade have needed to be Nemfected to Betray the Winter Court and/or the Natural Order to the Summer Lady as he did? Harry is bound by Winter Law, but it seems to me it's not as forcefully as a queen/lady.
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I don't think so, the Knight still has Free Will and can betray his Queen and Court. Aurora seems to have promised him the power of the Summer Knight in addition to that of the Winter Knight. He didn't need to be Nemfected, he was willing.
Fix was bound by a geas in Proven Guilty, so the Queens can restrict their Knights' Free Will to a degree. But I think they have to actively do something specific, meaning they have to think about it in the first place.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Zaphodess on August 23, 2017, 01:22:01 PM ---I don't think so, the Knight still has Free Will and can betray his Queen and Court. Aurora seems to have promised him the power of the Summer Knight in addition to that of the Winter Knight. He didn't need to be Nemfected, he was willing.
Fix was bound by a geas in Proven Guilty, so the Queens can restrict their Knights' Free Will to a degree. But I think they have to actively do something specific, meaning they have to think about it in the first place.
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Im not implying that a Knight is restricted in the same way as a Sidhe (as being physically incapable), but per Harry's whole "Screw Winter Law" episode they DO face consequences of such defiance. He doesnt need a Nemfection to become Willing any more than Maeve did, but he may well have needed a Nemfection to avoid the Fallout of open defiance against Winter.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Quantus on August 23, 2017, 01:28:17 PM ---Im not implying that a Knight is restricted in the same way as a Sidhe (as being physically incapable), but per Harry's whole "Screw Winter Law" episode they DO face consequences of such defiance. He doesnt need a Nemfection to become Willing any more than Maeve did, but he may well have needed a Nemfection to avoid the Fallout of open defiance against Winter.
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I don't know if Harry's "screw Winter Law" comment is a very good example, simply because it may have only pertained to the agreement between Harry and Mab.. Or more to the point, knowing her Winter Knight's independent nature and strong will, Mab felt the need to put him in his place.. I think a lot was let to slide when Slade was Knight maybe because Maeve was basically in charge of his duties.. At any rate he was also made an example of by Mab, that there is a serious price to be paid for betraying her.
Zaphodess:
--- Quote from: Quantus on August 23, 2017, 01:28:17 PM ---Im not implying that a Knight is restricted in the same way as a Sidhe (as being physically incapable), but per Harry's whole "Screw Winter Law" episode they DO face consequences of such defiance. He doesnt need a Nemfection to become Willing any more than Maeve did, but he may well have needed a Nemfection to avoid the Fallout of open defiance against Winter.
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Yep, Harry lost what he has bargained for. We don't know what Lloyd Slate has bargained for, it might have been something stupid and he realized that he had been screwed.
Or, he didn't actually break Winter Law. The scheme was based on hurting Summer, which the Winter Knight is allowed to do. It's kind of his purpose. Technically, Winter would have become much more powerful if the Summer Knight's power were added to its pool.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Zaphodess on August 23, 2017, 02:50:47 PM ---Yep, Harry lost what he has bargained for. We don't know what Lloyd Slate has bargained for, it might have been something stupid and he realized that he had been screwed.
Or, he didn't actually break Winter Law. The scheme was based on hurting Summer, which the Winter Knight is allowed to do. It's kind of his purpose. Technically, Winter would have been become much more powerful if the Summer Knight's power were added to its pool.
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This is still possible. The Mission was nominally to Hunt the Summer Knight, but he did so by allying with the Summer Lady, and in at least one instance deliberately failed his task given by the Winter Lady (in not recovering usable Blood from Elaine).
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