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WAG on murphyonic effect
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Quantus on August 08, 2017, 12:55:47 PM ---Very. That would indicate a level of Absolute control over Magic Itself that would be terrifying. Especially if it's been used to intentionally out Wizards (to their DOOOOOM), and to Limit their Choices and Free Will, which is the fundamental hallmark of the Good Guys. If the Gods themselves want Mortals to Fall, then they are all just plain screwed, full stop.
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It doesn't seem any more terrifying than Mab extending winter through her mere presence on Earth. The Sidhe have a vast level of control over daily human lives. And that control would seem to be based on aspects of reality being associated with them.
If the aspect of magic is associated with Hecate (and other mantles possessed by the Sidhe), then it seems logical that they could exert just as much control on that as they can the weather. Or, at least as much control as they have, given their level of influence over the aspect.
All in all, we're not talking about the Sidhe having enough control to cut magic off completely. We're just talking about Mother Winter having enough control (and pettiness) to push out side effects to magic use.
It's just too convenient that wizards are hampered with such limitations without there being an inciting factor for them. If wizards still suffered from boils and spoiled milk, I'd say it's no big deal; the Murphyonic field was always in place, and they only just realized it in the modern age.
But since it's changed, and in a potentially purposeful manner that successfully alienates them from the rest of mortal society, I say nay, it's not natural.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on August 08, 2017, 03:15:36 PM ---It doesn't seem any more terrifying than Mab extending winter through her mere presence on Earth. The Sidhe have a vast level of control over daily human lives. And that control would seem to be based on aspects of reality being associated with them.
If the aspect of magic is associated with Hecate (and other mantles possessed by the Sidhe), then it seems logical that they could exert just as much control on that as they can the weather. Or, at least as much control as they have, given their level of influence over the aspect.
All in all, we're not talking about the Sidhe having enough control to cut magic off completely. We're just talking about Mother Winter having enough control (and pettiness) to push out side effects to magic use.
It's just too convenient that wizards are hampered with such limitations without there being an inciting factor for them. If wizards still suffered from boils and spoiled milk, I'd say it's no big deal; the Murphyonic field was always in place, and they only just realized it in the modern age.
But since it's changed, and in a potentially purposeful manner that successfully alienates them from the rest of mortal society, I say nay, it's not natural.
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Mab was able to extend Winter on a very local level, but she doesnt have anything close to global control (and certainly not that level of casual discretion). It's a wildly different thing, to my mind, to say that Hecate (or any single deity of Magic) has blanket control to dictate how Magic, specifically Mortal Magic works on a global scale, and most especially when they then exercise that power to intentionally make Mortals better Prey.
Anyone that could make that sort of absolute change could also, for instance, declare that Mortal Magic cannot summon Outsiders. Or even that anyone else can; so I really hope they are on the 'Good Guys' side (ie. pro-free will).
Mira:
--- Quote from: knnn on August 07, 2017, 12:22:55 PM ---So one of the things that's pretty universal is magic's effect on technology. As Harry puts it, any tech after WWII gets affected, esp. electronics.
We also know from WoJ that magic didn't always affect technology, that Harry doesn't quite understand how things work, etc.
So here's the WAG:
What if the actual cause of the effect is the radiation put off by the first atomic bombs? After all, Low background steel is a real thing (used for geiger counters).
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However it isn't blanket in how it affects electronics, it may blow up a computer, but someone standing next to Harry wearing a modern pace maker or hearing aid isn't affected.. Nor do the I-phones in their pockets instantly melt, and no they are not always turned off when not in use.. Billy can drive Harry around in their new state of the art SUV, but if Harry drives it, it falls apart..
dspringer1:
It is a truism of the Dresden universe. Every creature has weaknesses. The Fey do (iron), the vamps do (sunlight or true love), loup Garou have inherited silver, etc. Wizard's weakness vs technology is just their weakness.
If this is a universal law, then it cannot be assigned to someone as weak as Mab (in the grand scheme of things...)
jonas:
--- Quote from: Mira on August 08, 2017, 05:45:34 PM ---However it isn't blanket in how it affects electronics, it may blow up a computer, but someone standing next to Harry wearing a modern pace maker or hearing aid isn't affected.. Nor do the I-phones in their pockets instantly melt, and no they are not always turned off when not in use.. Billy can drive Harry around in their new state of the art SUV, but if Harry drives it, it falls apart..
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Most those point can be explained under, as 'spirit callers'(not entities, more primal spirit of 'creation/elements) plus the natural order of magic shouldn't Interfere with Free Will means the more inside the aura of another person something is, the less it will naturally effect it without direction. Taking it out and holding it takes a phone away from direct contact with a large mass(like body heat transfer) to a smaller surface. The car is pretty simple, Harry chills and tries not to do anything. Driving is an emotionally charged experience more often than not. I mean Chicago traffic? Sheesh surprised he doesn't blow even his old beater every ten minutes. Pretty close though now that I think about it ???
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