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Marvra and Kemmler (Deadbeat)
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Quantus on August 10, 2017, 12:07:46 PM ---Same. Finding out he was the Founder changed things dramatically, not the least of which is anchors the Black Court as the youngest by FAR (of the three we've seen, anyway). Id always discounted theories of Mavra being (or becoming) an Elder based on the assumption that the Elders would be a few thousand years old like the oldest of the Reds or Whites. But now we know that a)they are all going to be a 1000 years or less (give or take) and b)they gain power via pure bodycount, so in the right circumstances they could really thrive. And by "right circumstances" I mean anything that might have a Horseman of the Apocalypse Named after it.
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All of a sudden, my mind flashes to Kemmler, who according to Bob had a big hand in bringing about the Great War. Bob told Harry that Kemmler had spent the better part of a century setting it up (which makes sense, because the international tensions that exploded in 1914 had deep roots), but he never did give Harry/us any real motive other than that Kemmler was 'crazy and evil'. Bob did, however, tell Harry that Kemmler had allies in the vampire courts.
Now crazy and evil can certainly motivate people, but spending decades on end carefully setting up something as big as World War I presumably had some purpose beyond 'just because'. But if you wanted your Black Court allies to have a chance to level up quickly, that would be a way to go about it.
Con:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on August 11, 2017, 03:41:37 AM ---All of a sudden, my mind flashes to Kemmler, who according to Bob had a big hand in bringing about the Great War. Bob told Harry that Kemmler had spent the better part of a century setting it up (which makes sense, because the international tensions that exploded in 1914 had deep roots), but he never did give Harry/us any real motive other than that Kemmler was 'crazy and evil'. Bob did, however, tell Harry that Kemmler had allies in the vampire courts.
Now crazy and evil can certainly motivate people, but spending decades on end carefully setting up something as big as World War I presumably had some purpose beyond 'just because'. But if you wanted your Black Court allies to have a chance to level up quickly, that would be a way to go about it.
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Especially if Stoker's Book and the Black Court Purge had been making waves against the Court. Also ties into the idea that Kemmler got his improved Dark Hallow idea from Dracula failed attempt and ascension, and the Black Court's method of feeding on the life force of people.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: kazimmoinuddin on August 09, 2017, 04:47:06 AM ---The thing is with such a limited number of elders, I doubt they would ever gather together as it would present too big a target. So it would be a big deal for them to do so.
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Cough TUNGUSKA cough
jonas:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on August 11, 2017, 03:41:37 AM ---All of a sudden, my mind flashes to Kemmler, who according to Bob had a big hand in bringing about the Great War. Bob told Harry that Kemmler had spent the better part of a century setting it up (which makes sense, because the international tensions that exploded in 1914 had deep roots), but he never did give Harry/us any real motive other than that Kemmler was 'crazy and evil'. Bob did, however, tell Harry that Kemmler had allies in the vampire courts.
Now crazy and evil can certainly motivate people, but spending decades on end carefully setting up something as big as World War I presumably had some purpose beyond 'just because'. But if you wanted your Black Court allies to have a chance to level up quickly, that would be a way to go about it.
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Yes they did, the ground work and death before a dark hallow is part of what makes up how big and bad it's actually going to be, he was setting the groundwork for his own DH that woulda made DB's look like a kitty ride by comparison. iirc, first time they killed him was before he could pull it off.
Quantus:
I basically he was just setting up a fertile environment for Chaos, Death, and Change. Which is something that benefited Blamps just as much as kemmler. Probably was a great time for Nic too, I bet he was jealous. Any or all of them could have been co-conspirators, allies, and/or complicit bystanders in that time.
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