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Bob, Butters, and the White Council...
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--- Quote from: Rasins on August 16, 2017, 05:27:58 PM ---I'd say Langtry's reaction to his appearance at Molly's trial was pretty indicative of them knowing about the KotCs. What will be interesting is how much Arcane magic Butter's will continue to use now that he's got a sword.
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Yes and no. I think it shows they know of the Knights in a general sense, but Langtry didnt know the current ones enough to know Michael by sight, which I think is telling.
Rasins:
--- Quote from: Quantus on August 16, 2017, 05:57:29 PM ---Yes and no. I think it shows they know of the Knights in a general sense, but Langtry didnt know the current ones enough to know Michael by sight, which I think is telling.
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I read that as they just don't cross paths that often, which makes sense when you figure the different purposes.
Speaking of which, We know that the Wouncil is there to limit power, that could be read as limiting free-will. Wouldn't that be contrary to TWGs pursuit of and support of free-will?
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--- Quote from: Rasins on August 16, 2017, 07:24:13 PM ---I read that as they just don't cross paths that often, which makes sense when you figure the different purposes.
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Harry had never crossed paths with Papa Wraith and he was known on sight, and Im pretty sure it's happened other times too. We arent talking about knowing every the Council (or for that matter all the various "usual suspects" the Wardens are expected to know on sight), we're talking about knowing the three Ordained Champions of the Almighty *insert ominous chorus music* and in Michael's case, the Knight whose sword Langtry went to War over. McCoy recognized him as a habitual associate of Harry's, but it surprises me that a man as meticulous as Langtry wouldnt stay informed. It's not like Michael was new to the job or anything either.
--- Quote ---Speaking of which, We know that the Wouncil is there to limit power, that could be read as limiting free-will. Wouldn't that be contrary to TWGs pursuit of and support of free-will?
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Nope, Mortals can Exercise their own Free Will by restricting others all they want (slavery, murder, etc) just like mortal servants of Fallen Angels can freely attach a heavily protected Casa Carpenter. Heaven may or may not like it, and may or may not Judge them for it in their afterlife, but it only gets involved if it's a Non-Mortal interfering with Free Will Causality. Otherwise, Humans are Free to be controlling Jerks to each other.
Rasins:
--- Quote from: Quantus on August 16, 2017, 08:20:43 PM ---Harry had never crossed paths with Papa Wraith and he was known on sight, and Im pretty sure it's happened other times too. We arent talking about knowing every the Council (or for that matter all the various "usual suspects" the Wardens are expected to know on sight), we're talking about knowing the three Ordained Champions of the Almighty *insert ominous chorus music* and in Michael's case, the Knight whose sword Langtry went to War over. McCoy recognized him as a habitual associate of Harry's, but it surprises me that a man as meticulous as Langtry wouldnt stay informed. It's not like Michael was new to the job or anything either.
Nope, Mortals can Exercise their own Free Will by restricting others all they want (slavery, murder, etc) just like mortal servants of Fallen Angels can freely attach a heavily protected Casa Carpenter. Heaven may or may not like it, and may or may not Judge them for it in their afterlife, but it only gets involved if it's a Non-Mortal interfering with Free Will Causality. Otherwise, Humans are Free to be controlling Jerks to each other.
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Point 2, good point.
Point 1 above, I can totally see Langtry knowing that there are only three, and who they are, even though there are only 2 at the moment. However, IIRC, Michael was not in his usual crusaders garb. And having another GUY step through with the other members of the senior council, he just wasn't that prepared, in that frame of reference, to think it might be a KotC.
Knowing that there are only 2 active knights, asking which sword would be appropriate as well.
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--- Quote from: Rasins on August 17, 2017, 05:39:50 PM ---Point 2, good point.
Point 1 above, I can totally see Langtry knowing that there are only three, and who they are, even though there are only 2 at the moment. However, IIRC, Michael was not in his usual crusaders garb. And having another GUY step through with the other members of the senior council, he just wasn't that prepared, in that frame of reference, to think it might be a KotC.
Knowing that there are only 2 active knights, asking which sword would be appropriate as well.
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It's not like Machael and Sanya look at all alike, or that any of the other swords have looked anything like a Crusader sword (at least for the last half-century or more). Langtry personally could see Michael and Amoracchius, was told Michael's name and that he's a Knight and he Still had to ask which sword! If he got a file on the Knights, he didnt read it.
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