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Many Questions on Proven Guilty
ebliss1:
A couple things stand out for me here.
1. The idea that a lot of foreknowledge was required to set all of this up.
2. The Fetches being somehow able to power through the Threshhold of Michael's house - especially given the Angelic protection that we are shown that exists around the house.
3. The long-term effects of this sequence: Harry's awareness of Nemesis, the sudden sowing of doubt among the Denarians, the beginning of the "Molly for Winter Lady" chain of events.
These things sort of say to me: Uriel. He could easily be using these event to maneuver Harry into position, to set up for him a powerful ally (Molly) where before he had an enemy (Maeve), plus he gets to knock the Denarians off kilter by having them turn on one another in suspicion. We know that Uriel likes to plan for the long term and also likes to see how many dominos he can set up to all fall down at the same time.
Zaphodess:
--- Quote from: ebliss1 on July 25, 2017, 11:43:24 AM ---A couple things stand out for me here.
1. The idea that a lot of foreknowledge was required to set all of this up.
2. The Fetches being somehow able to power through the Threshhold of Michael's house - especially given the Angelic protection that we are shown that exists around the house.
3. The long-term effects of this sequence: Harry's awareness of Nemesis, the sudden sowing of doubt among the Denarians, the beginning of the "Molly for Winter Lady" chain of events.
These things sort of say to me: Uriel. He could easily be using these event to maneuver Harry into position, to set up for him a powerful ally (Molly) where before he had an enemy (Maeve), plus he gets to knock the Denarians off kilter by having them turn on one another in suspicion. We know that Uriel likes to plan for the long term and also likes to see how many dominos he can set up to all fall down at the same time.
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I like the idea. It would fit, cause he has the foreknowledge but can't really act directly.
apgrey:
There are two things I would like to add here.
I support Evil Bob as the one who fixed Little Chicago. I suspect he is able to pass Harry's threshold, and can counter Harry's wards.
The Angelic bodyguard was a retirement bonus. It was not there during Proven Guilty.
APG
jonas:
--- Quote --- Which queen gave orders to the Fetches – or was the Fetch acting on their own?
• If Madrigal was set up a year in advance, why. I cannot have been related to Molly’s use of black magic or the battle with the Red Court as neither could have been reliably predicted a year in advance. If he was set up from the begining, it had to be for another reason.
• Was the portal to winter always in the theater --- or did someone create the portal for this purpose? The first might suggest a longer term plot while the second might suggest it was created by a Winter queen.
• Why did Mab not destroy those who killed her guards?
• Did slowing time in Winter serve some other (less obvious) purpose?
• When did Maeve and Lilly learn about the attack on the White Council? Well in advance or only during the events in Proven Guilty?
• What else is going on that might justify time travel?
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1 The Winter Mother did it, Eldest fatch says so 'I have served the queen of air and darkness since before human memory.' but before human memory puts things in the realm of oblivion. Only 2 ways to do that is if original was still around in another form, or died. Either way he's talking about the queen possibly before it was ever part mortal.
*fyi the fetches goal is in their name, fetch.
--- Quote ---A fetch is a supernatural double or an apparition of a living person in Irish folklore. It is largely akin to the doppelgänger, and sightings are regarded as omens, usually for impending death.
evidently referring to a psychopomp who "fetches" the souls of the dying,
found in two Old English glossaries.[4][5] In both texts, fæcce is glossed for mære, a spirit associated with death and nightmares.
seems to have regarded it as a Latin word, though it is unattested in Latin. Instead, it may be Irish, which could be the origin of the Hiberno-English fetch.[4]
The term "fetch" is sometimes glossed for the Scandinavian fylgja, an animal alter ego in Norse mythology connected to a person's fate, though unlike the Irish concept, the fylgja is almost always female.
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They came for Molly and what she'd been doing with magic, they came to balance the scales with Mab's free willed knight in the bullpin.
Notic after he ate her, her 'double' was scarecrow, bringer of fear? this whole book is(also) a joke on Sleepy hallow, Batman, and his villain scarecrow. Darby crane(Ichabod/Jonathon) is set to take the fall for scarecrow, called master of fear but is beaten down by 'batman'/detective Harry Dresden when he has no fear. more stuff so old I can't rememeber. it's a humorous amalgamation.
ebliss1:
--- Quote ---I support Evil Bob as the one who fixed Little Chicago. I suspect he is able to pass Harry's threshold, and can counter Harry's wards.
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True that he could potentially have access to Little Chicago, but WHY would Evil Bob fix it for Harry? This would seem out of character for Evil Bob. Additionally, wouldn't Evil Bob need the free will to decide to take that action? Or are you working on the idea that Evil Bob has a new master/owner and that person wanted Little Chicago fixed?
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