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Butcher Battle 17#: Tavi vs Nicodemus
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: groinkick on July 20, 2017, 04:37:52 AM ---If Tavi has Fury crafting he absolutely destroys Nicodemus. I haven't seen anything from Nicodemus to indicate he would last more than a few moments against Tavi. Super human strength from his earth fury, super human speed with a sword or any metal, fire, water manipulation, healing, flight, wind manipulation, wood manipulation. He has a lot of tools and he doesn't require a blasting rod or any focus objects.
By the end of the book he was very much in control of his abilities.
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I thought the elements had to be present for him to tap their potential? Other than Demonreach, he's not going to have an abundance of all the Fury types at any given time.
I guess I need a refresher on Alera, because I'm having a hard time picturing him tapping an abundance of nature Fury potential in downtown Chicago. Medieval cities in Alera were weaker when it came to Furies; imagine what a modern city would do.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on July 20, 2017, 04:42:13 PM ---I thought the elements had to be present for him to tap their potential? Other than Demonreach, he's not going to have an abundance of all the Fury types at any given time.
I guess I need a refresher on Alera, because I'm having a hard time picturing him tapping an abundance of nature Fury potential in downtown Chicago. Medieval cities in Alera were weaker when it came to Furies; imagine what a modern city would do.
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That's the problem with cross story fights. He "should" have access to them on DR as they seem to stay with him even if he travels to another continent in the Alera series. I don't recall furies being weaker in Alera. If he for example lost contact with the earth, he'd be cut off from his Earth fury. But asphalt, concrete ect are products of the earth so I don't know if he'd lose that power. :shrug:
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: groinkick on July 20, 2017, 06:18:51 PM ---That's the problem with cross story fights. He "should" have access to them on DR as they seem to stay with him even if he travels to another continent in the Alera series. I don't recall furies being weaker in Alera. If he for example lost contact with the earth, he'd be cut off from his Earth fury. But asphalt, concrete ect are products of the earth so I don't know if he'd lose that power. :shrug:
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See, I thought he was tapping the latent power of Furies in the environment around him.
The weakness around the cities was shown in that City dwellers had weaker (and fewer) Furies than rural dwellers. The suggestion, at least to me, was that as humanity moved away from the natural environment, their connection with the Furies weakened as well. But since the Furies themselves were described as weaker, I think it suggests that cities aren't the ideal environment for them.
Which would suggest that any similar presence in modern cities in the Dresdenverse would be similarly dampened.
In the alley/hotel/hades fights, there'd probably be enough stone and metal for him, but wind/fire/water would be scarce.
The train fight would be interesting, as he'd have metal and wind.
The Shedd fight would be the best source for a water fight.
Of course, with Nico knowing about Tavi, he'd probably know that his power was suppressed in his youth. I wouldn't put it past Nico to find a way to duplicate the effect under the right conditions, using Cassius for any spells necessary.
And picturing Tavi fighting all the Denarians is intriguing.
Rasins:
See, I always thought that the furies in the city were simply the same furies that were local to the area before the humans, but they'd been used so much, and for so long that they were beyond just tame, they were completely broken and had no will of their own any longer.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Rasins on July 20, 2017, 08:00:43 PM ---See, I always thought that the furies in the city were simply the same furies that were local to the area before the humans, but they'd been used so much, and for so long that they were beyond just tame, they were completely broken and had no will of their own any longer.
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I can't recall what the books suggested. I thought there was a Bernard conversation where a couple people speculated, but didn't come to a conclusion.
Now, if I recall, it's hard for a crafter to simultaneously use conflicting furies. Did Tavi ever get over that, or does that still apply?
In other words, wood/metal, fire/water, air/earth combos don't work. That would affect what abilities he'd have in different scenarios.
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