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jonas:
--- Quote from: Quantus on July 21, 2017, 04:12:20 PM ---Nah, he was using the Name prior to the divergence point, so its at least still part of his history, and by the metaphysics of Naming I think one alias is as good as another.
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I won't argue the metaphysics of Naming with you, I'm too tired lol. but is Santa equivalent to Odin or Vadderrung? not in the metaphysical sense.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: jonas on July 21, 2017, 04:28:17 PM ---I won't argue the metaphysics of Naming with you, I'm too tired lol. but is Santa equivalent to Odin or Vadderrung? not in the metaphysical sense.
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I have no idea what you are trying to say here. I just meant that, per Even Hand, "Marcone" is not his real Name, it's an alias. And we know that the divergence point for the MM was somewhere in GP, meaning by that time He'd already been using the name Marcone. So I dont see how Changing from one Alias to another would change anything, since Mantles are a whole other thing than Names (or at least a much more extreme example*).
*I have a theory that Mantles are what happens when a Name gains enough power to exist independantly without the other 5-6 parts of the Self (like a Body or Spirit). This is based on the Egyptian framework where the Name is one of the primary aspects of the Self right up there with you Chi and Soul and Body, etc (as compared to the 3-part body/spirit/soul model that Bob and Harry were debating).
jonas:
I'm saying Marcone the name has all kinds of connections to who he is, even the very inflection of it can change who he is, that's why he always gets erkked at Harry when he calls him john, he's hitting that tiny tuning fork.
The choice to change your name is to try and change your identity associations. If he switched back to his original name he'd effectively be giving up the notion of crime lord Jonny Marcone, his sense of self. He would in effect be a whole different person. A person he gave up on being once before.
*its an effective theory to utilize.
**sweet ambrosia, COFFEE!
Quantus:
--- Quote from: jonas on July 21, 2017, 04:41:46 PM ---I'm saying Marcone the name has all kinds of connections to who he is, even the very inflection of it can change who he is, that's why he always gets erkked at Harry when he calls him john, he's hitting that tiny tuning fork.
The choice to change your name is to try and change your identity associations. If he switched back to his original name he'd effectively be giving up the notion of crime lord Jonny Marcone, his sense of self. He would in effect be a whole different person. A person he gave up on being once before.
*its an effective theory to utilize.
**sweet ambrosia, COFFEE!
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OK , I see where you are going now. If IM reading you correct you are arguing that an alias, if used long enough (or maybe accepted into your identity deep enough) will eventually MAKE said alias into your True Name. I dont think I disagree with that, since Marriage is a thing and Im sure Charity considers her Name to be Carpenter. I guess I think Marcone actually, honestly, still views "Marcone" as a mask he wheres, a character as a defensive wall he needs for survival, rather than his true self. Im basing this off my impressions from Even Hand and off the scene in WN when Harry appealed to his decency rather than his greed or pride or any of the levers he normally willing to knowledge.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: wardenferry419 on July 19, 2017, 11:43:26 PM ---Justine certainly seems like supernatural bait for some reason.
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Partly, I think that's a side-effect of her mental condition. Emotions are tied to life-energy and magic in the DV, that's part of why Justine is or was once able to actually benefit from Thomas feeding on her (in moderation).
I have a hunch that a lot of creatures would find Justine's mental state 'appealing'. Which doesn't mean that there are not other reasons, too, of course.
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