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Stone Table Sacrifice
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Quantus on July 21, 2017, 12:03:20 PM ---What do you mean?
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Free will.
Polytheistic religions appear to have revolved around deities controlling many aspects of people's daily lives, and therefore worshippers might have granted those same deities a level of authority to act as they saw fit. A sacrifice of free will to them gave them a measure of free will, which freed them to do what was necessary without humanity's knowledge.
Monotheistic religions appear, with certain exceptions, to accept that their deity is absolute, but also granted humanity free will to decide their own fate. This leads to an absence of free will imparted upon the monotheistic pantheon, save for when believers individually seek intervention.
This could have led to a strict purview, which is suggested by Uriel's commentary, on what they can and cannot do. There may be differences in degrees between the different monotheistic pantheons, but on the whole, they're not getting enough to act.
Hence the need for a constructed pantheon based on elemental forces humanity still recognizes as beyond their control, and therefore collectively plans it's life around.
vultur:
--- Quote from: Rasins on July 17, 2017, 01:46:59 PM ---I don't know about all the coins, but Nick and Tessa for sure.
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The Fallen in the coins are significant on Demonreach-level; Nic and Tessa themselves aren't even close. Tessa is a wizard (Council-level, but nowhere near, say, Morgan or Luccio level ability) with some physical enhancements and the ability to turn into a swarm of bugs. Nic has super shadow spying abilities and a really powerful magical item, but that's about it.
Naagloshii are minimum security in Demonreach. One of those would easily, trivially destroy Nic or Tessa - probably both of them working together. (Even Nic, actually, given that naagloshii have intellectus about how to hurt people.)
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on July 16, 2017, 04:51:30 AM ---A more practical idea, it seems to me, and more moral, is Harry's approach. Take the Coins, encase them in blocks of high-density concrete, that sort of thing. Make them physically harder to touch at all.
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Yeah. Put them in concrete blocks then drop them in a deep part of the Pacific. That ought to work for a while at least... just watch for people sending submarines into that area...
--- Quote from: Rasins on July 20, 2017, 07:15:39 PM ---One would wonder why an uber-powerful entity like Hecate WOULD split her power up?
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Maybe she didn't, intentionally.
While it would go against one of my other WAGs ("MW is the original Hecate, thus an Ascended Hecatean Hag, thus not Fae and that's why she can touch iron") - maybe the original Hecate was killed on Halloween in some way that forced the split. (Killed by two people who divided her mantle among them?)
Immortals trade bits of mantles on Halloween, according to Bob. Hmmm... maybe the two WAGs are actually compatible - maybe the original Mother Summer stole half of the original Hecate's power through some kind of ritual or something (without killing her).
The later delegation of power from Mother to Queen, Lady, Knight on each side IMO is a simple matter of getting around the inherently limiting nature of having "reality crushing" level power -- and it's probably not that much loss anyway. If MW is an order of magnitude stronger than Mab and Mab's an order of magnitude stronger than the Winter Lady, MW's only lost 11% of her original power.
--- Quote from: Rasins on July 21, 2017, 07:10:36 PM ---What if ... the Blackstaff was the actual Staff portion of the Spear of Longinus?
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IIRC there's a WOJ hint along the lines of "Celtic lore around 1065 AD", so probably not.
--- Quote from: Quantus on July 21, 2017, 12:08:16 PM ---This could work too, though Id expect that particular shift to center more directly around the Crucifixion, given that all Objects with actual, innate Power (save the blackstaff) all come from that stage.
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Medea's bodkin would be significantly older - Medea ought to be from the heroic age of Greek myth, around the time of the Trojan War - say 1300-1200 BC.
kazimmoinuddin:
I wonder, since the knights are part of the Queen power, can they summon the table when needed? It is said the Knights are expressions of power, do could they also accept power?
Quantus:
--- Quote from: vultur on August 02, 2017, 08:20:13 AM ---Medea's bodkin would be significantly older - Medea ought to be from the heroic age of Greek myth, around the time of the Trojan War - say 1300-1200 BC.
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True, but it's "power" is more in line with the Athame, ie power by use/association. As compared to "Objects with actual, innate Power", which per WOJ the athame was not, but the Swords and Noose and Blackstaff were (and I strongly suspect the Vault 7 artifacts as well).
Rasins:
--- Quote from: Quantus on August 03, 2017, 11:59:23 AM ---True, but it's "power" is more in line with the Athame, ie power by use/association. As compared to "Objects with actual, innate Power", which per WOJ the athame was not, but the Swords and Noose and Blackstaff were (and I strongly suspect the Vault 7 artifacts as well).
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Grail
Knife (Spearhead?)
Crown of Thorns
Sign/Placard
Shroud
Were there 2 that I'm misremembering?
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