The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Better Guns for Dresden and Co.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on July 21, 2017, 02:16:42 PM ---"Absolutely," huh?
Storm Front:
Grave Peril:
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He's talking about Harrys gun never jamming, or his allies. But Harry's not conflicted when he uses a gun, point of fact, murder takes a good deal of willpower/intent, so why would he be conflicted when choosing to pull the trigger anyway? probably never read the woj where jim talks about the narrator(harry) not having all the pieces on this one.
Shift8:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on July 21, 2017, 02:16:42 PM ---"Absolutely," huh?
Storm Front:
Grave Peril:
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For all intensive purposes, Yes. Firearms in the DV, and for that matter most mortal items, rarely malfunction. They are used with propensity throughout the books, and they for all intensive purposes never malfunction due to magic.
Plus your ignoring that his is just Harry's assumption as to why the jammed. unreliable narrator etc. And your ignoring that we have not only dozens and dozens and dozens of accounts of no problem at all, but that Murphy and Dresden had a conversation about this. Specifically that Dresden's fear of autos is misplaced.
Sure is strange Carlos uses that glock all day long without a problem....
jonas:
--- Quote from: Shift8 on July 21, 2017, 02:26:19 PM ---For all intensive purposes, Yes. Firearms in the DV, and for that matter most mortal items, rarely malfunction. They are used with propensity throughout the books, and they for all intensive purposes never malfunction due to magic.
Plus your ignoring that his is just Harry's assumption as to why the jammed. unreliable narrator etc. And your ignoring that we have not only dozens and dozens and dozens of accounts of no problem at all, but that Murphy and Dresden had a conversation about this. Specifically that Dresden's fear of autos is misplaced.
Sure is strange Carlos uses that glock all day long without a problem....
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Not really, Harry explains also that weaker wizards effect things less and it's specifically known Carlos is weaker then Dresden in raw power. please explain the 'ignoring that his is Harry's assumption paragraph...' so I can refute it too.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Shift8 on July 21, 2017, 02:26:19 PM ---For all intensive purposes, Yes. Firearms in the DV, and for that matter most mortal items, rarely malfunction. They are used with propensity throughout the books, and they for all intensive purposes never malfunction due to magic.
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First, pet peeve: It's "all intents and purposes."
Second, "all intents and purposes" is not "absolutely not." We have direct, observed evidence that magic does, in fact, cause firearms to jam.
--- Quote ---Plus your ignoring that his is just Harry's assumption as to why the jammed. unreliable narrator etc.
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Cripes I hate this "argument." "Harry doesn't know everything" is not license to disregard when he's talking about the things he observes directly and knows what he's talking about.
Harry knows how magic works. He can be relied upon to be right about the things he is observing actually happening. Just because it inconveniences your argument doesn't make it not true.
Seriously, this is like when certain people were arguing that the Red Court War wasn't even actually happening.
--- Quote ---And your ignoring that we have not only dozens and dozens and dozens of accounts of no problem at all, but that Murphy and Dresden had a conversation about this. Specifically that Dresden's fear of autos is misplaced.
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Right, because Murphy knows more about how magic works than Dresden.
Which is why, I presume, she has to ask Harry, multiple times every book, how magic works.
--- Quote ---Sure is strange Carlos uses that glock all day long without a problem....
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Carlos's glock is a semiautomatic. Not an automatic.
Yes, I know there are glocks that can be automatic, but Carlos's does not appear to be one of them.
Shift8:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on July 21, 2017, 02:40:32 PM ---First, pet peeve: It's "all intents and purposes."
Second, "all intents and purposes" is not "absolutely not." We have direct, observed evidence that magic does, in fact, cause firearms to jam.
Cripes I hate this "argument." "Harry doesn't know everything" is not license to disregard when he's talking about the things he observes directly and knows what he's talking about.
Harry knows how magic works. He can be relied upon to be right about the things he is observing actually happening. Just because it inconveniences your argument doesn't make it not true.
Seriously, this is like when certain people were arguing that the Red Court War wasn't even actually happening.
Right, because Murphy knows more about how magic works than Dresden.
Which is why, I presume, she has to ask Harry, multiple times every book, how magic works.
Carlos's glock is a semiautomatic. Not an automatic.
Yes, I know there are glocks that can be automatic, but Carlos's does not appear to be one of them.
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For all intents and purposes its true. Two occurrences to the contrary do not make a rule. I could cite literally dozens of firefights int he DV where nothing of the sort happened. This despite Dresden flinging all sorts of magic all over the place at the same time. The point here is whether the reliability problem is sufficiently large to matter, and the battles of the book make it clear that it is not.
As was stated earlier, Dresden does not have completely accurate knowledge of this. Per WOJ, actually. So its fair to say that Dresdens perspective and opinion here is not fully reliable. So in point of fact, it is license to assume Dresden doesnt know what he is talking about, isnt it?
You do realize that the mechanical difference between fully auto and semi auto is trivial right? It would almost certainly make no difference.
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