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Standard Warden Equipment?
Shift8:
Wish I had seen this thread before I made the one I just made on guns.
What I would like to know is why the wardens dont standardize even non-magical gear. Wardens are often deployed to situations where max firepower is needed.
Why is there no standard assault rifle and or side arm?
What about helmets and armor?
Basically I see no reason why a set of wardens shouldn't just look like Delta force with magic. We know they use guns because they are superior to magic in many circumstances. Why not go all the way?
Plus everyone could magically enchant said items as they see fit.
Shift8:
--- Quote from: dspringer1 on July 13, 2017, 12:00:35 AM ---Sure we do. We can equip police with leather jackets, steel breastplates, shields, helmets, and all sorts of things. We do not because these items are either rarely useful or suffer major liabilities. For a similar reasons, I would not see wardens being routinely equipped with anti-ghost charms, mind shields, salve to see through fey illusions or any number of specialized defenses or attacks. But common attacks – especially non-magical attacks - or common tools are something that can be easily incorporated. That is why cops are often issued batans. Not because they are the primary weapon, but because it is a simple tool that is often useful. That is the type of magical equipment I expected the council to issue.
I suggested general purpose items that provide passive defense or some other useful non-combat function make a lot of sense. Foci of any sort are very specific to the mage and it would be tough to make one for another that would be super efficient. Harry might be able to use Eb’s staff as Eb trained him, but not as effectively as his own staff. Using the Merlin’s staff would be even less effective. The point of issued equipment is that it works no matter the specific strengths of the wizard vs common threats/use cases. It is a supplement, not a replacement for the wizards magical abilities.
Upkeep is the cost of all magic items. It does not matter who creates. Upkeep certainly limits how many items a wizard can have, but making sure wardens have a small number of very well made general purpose items can easily save lives – and the warden can keep the maintenance going. And if the warden does not want it, he can give it back. Very experienced wardens probably have only their own self created gear, but younger wardens would really benefit from issued gear.
And I think that Kevlar vest will do diddly against a marine sniper rifle. That is not an argument against wearing Kevlar as very few people pack marine sniper rifles. Denarians are major league threats and few wardens would be easy going against any one of them. Even if they did, the general purpose defense provided by the council would be only one of their defenses – and not the most important one.
Standard equipment is a supplement that provides a minimum baseline of capability. It is not a replacement for what the wizard can do and would never be the primary element in a wizard’s arsenal. But this solid baseline can often make the difference between success and death/serious injury fro common situations. Equally important (not just defense), common equipment can allow wardens to more easily work together, communicate, or effectively deal with issues outside their personal strengths.
The White Council has had multiple wars and conflicts with other supernatural powers --- in the books we have seen them go to town against Formor, Rakashashas, references to several vampire wars, and vague references that indicate that wars are not uncommon among the supernatural set. And all these bad guys use various non-magical threats along with any magic they can do. The reality is that the wardens have probably been in many small conflicts, minor wars and several major wars in the last century or two. They may exist to enforce the laws, but they are also a military force and are routinely expected to fight as such.
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I think I am in agreeance on most of this, just look at my below post.
One caveat though that I think actually support your argument.
The standard issue armor the US army uses will absolutely stop a "sniper" round. If by sniper round you mean the 7.62 NATO or similar used by most "sniper" rifles. Soft Level 3 kevlar will stop any pistol round more or less, and the SAPI plate inserts will stop armored piercing full size rifle rounds, at least once if not several times.
Aminar:
--- Quote from: Quantus on July 11, 2017, 08:27:10 PM ---Fair amount by hobby expenditure standards, absolutely. Fair amount as in equivalent to the Salary of a Full-time Job (even setting aside Hazard Pay), I still think Not Even Close.
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Dude. Have you looked at how much Warhammer pewter minis cost. Now remove the mass production stuff that reduces costs. And make each mold unique. A few square miles of chicago would require more than a thousand hand crafted unique very detailed molds. Each one with shipping costs that are not offset by mass production. Little Chicago is in the 6 digit price range. If anything Jim underestimated the cost pre-3d printing.
Shift8:
Wardens after Jim gives them the necessary standard gear for heavy operations:
Helmet enchanted against mind control. 3 in 1 blasting rod/staff/assault rifle. AT-4 for dealing with Mab. Eyepro to protect against soul gaze.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Shift8 on July 13, 2017, 12:08:11 AM ---Wish I had seen this thread before I made the one I just made on guns.
What I would like to know is why the wardens dont standardize even non-magical gear. Wardens are often deployed to situations where max firepower is needed.
Why is there no standard assault rifle and or side arm?
What about helmets and armor?
Basically I see no reason why a set of wardens shouldn't just look like Delta force with magic. We know they use guns because they are superior to magic in many circumstances. Why not go all the way?
Plus everyone could magically enchant said items as they see fit.
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We haven't seen much of the new guard in action. With most of the older wardens dead, it opens an opportunity for Carlos and his Young guns to bring a modern mentality to the group.
I wouldn't be surprised if we started seeing updates to their methodology. Even if they're selfmade, we could see Carlos and Co. wearing spell-worked leathers beneath their cloaks, shoulder holsters with enhanced hand guns, and gear belts with anything they could need.
--- Quote from: Shift8 on July 13, 2017, 02:19:13 AM ---Wardens after Jim gives them the necessary standard gear for heavy operations:
Helmet enchanted against mind control. 3 in 1 blasting rod/staff/assault rifle. AT-4 for dealing with Mab.
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Seems more likely for Harry to be surprised to find a room of wardens wearing these. And Carlos would take the opportunity to point out that he made Harry's style look good.
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