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xman146:
So, every time Nicodemus has had to tangle with Harry, Harry has basically foiled his plans. Particularly after their last run in, I can only imagine his hatred of Harry is going to be next level. So, is it just me, or does anyone else think that next time we see him, Nicodemus is going to be coming after Harry directly? (WAG: Maybe this causes Harry to release all the creatures on Demonreach and sets off the big Apocalyptic trilogy?)

Quantus:
Wouldnt suprise me at all, thought I maintain that after the BAT kicks off, Harry and Nic are going to find themselves on the same side. 

SintraEdrien:

--- Quote from: Quantus on July 10, 2017, 09:30:35 PM ---Wouldnt suprise me at all, thought I maintain that after the BAT kicks off, Harry and Nic are going to find themselves on the same side.

--- End quote ---

I don't think I can agree- every time I see opinions that Nicky and the Nickelheads are secretly out to save Earth and humanity (especially as justification for their depravity), I am strongly reminded of C. S. Lewis' quote regarding Screwtape: "My readers are advised to remember that the Devil is a liar; not everything that Screwtape says should be assumed to be true, even from his own viewpoint. There is wishful thinking in Hell as well as on earth."

dspringer1:
I think it is clear that Nicodemus is very focused on achieving some goal.   He is not into vengeance unless it services the goal. 

I do think Nik hates Harry enough that he is going to find a way to involve Harry in his end plans, even if only unconsciously.   He will want Harry to suffer as he achieves total victory.   But until that moment comes, I doubt Nik will focus any effort (beyond intelligence gathering) on Harry. 

Snark Knight:

--- Quote from: SintraEdrien on July 10, 2017, 11:00:43 PM ---I don't think I can agree- every time I see opinions that Nicky and the Nickelheads are secretly out to save Earth and humanity (especially as justification for their depravity), I am strongly reminded of C. S. Lewis' quote regarding Screwtape: "My readers are advised to remember that the Devil is a liar; not everything that Screwtape says should be assumed to be true, even from his own viewpoint. There is wishful thinking in Hell as well as on earth."

--- End quote ---

I believe Deirdre was sincere about describing their purpose to 'save the world' mostly because it would have been a stupid lie to entirely make up. There was never any chance that would deceive Harry into second-guessing whether they might be justified after all, and she had to have known that. She was flaunting that she knew something he didn't, not trying to talk him over to their side.

Many of the Fallen and the willingly collaborating Denarians probably do subscribe to the wishful thinking that their tactics are justified by brutal utilitarianism, and ruling the remainder will be their just reward for having preserved something from the even worse Outsider-pocalypse. But they can be delusional about the ends justifying the means or the disease being worse than their cure without being technically liars.

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