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Need Guidance: Spider-Man Build
Sanctaphrax:
--- Quote from: Shaft on July 11, 2017, 12:57:39 PM ---I guess we'll have to disagree on your ruling on Items of Power for Breath Weapon. You could make an amulet of Dragon's Breath or a Bow of lightning bolts or anything that allows you to throw a Wpn 2 attack using Weapons skill.
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You don't need to spend Refresh to give a weapon a weapon rating. So putting Breath Weapon on an IoP is like giving Lawbreaker to a non-spellcaster.
--- Quote from: Shaft on July 11, 2017, 12:57:39 PM ---I'm using Breath Weapon as a ranged attack so he can use Thrown Weapons from the Pitcher stunt.
He also throws tracers.
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Huh, okay.
--- Quote from: Quantus on July 11, 2017, 01:00:33 PM ---I feel like the webslinging might not warrant the actual Wings ability, given it's limitation requiring lots of tall structures nearby (Homecoming does a great job of highlighting this several times). You are already buying the SpiderWalk, which essentially just opens all his supernatural speed and movement/agility to 3 dimensions. Buying wings on top of that seems like double-dipping for no added benefit, even if it's intend to portray the armpit-web squirrel-suit gliding he can do occasionally.
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This custom Power might be worth a look.
It and Spider Walk are both more or less strictly worse than Wings, though.
--- Quote from: Quantus on July 11, 2017, 01:00:33 PM ---The main narrative point of the Web fluid was always as a limitation, something he runs out of randomly and has to go and re-brew. Would it be possible (or advisable) to instead do webs as Brewed Potions? On their own they can act as web grenades (common enough if wasteful use) or they can be plugged into the web-shooters (still an IoP?) to allow for the other various uses (ropes, nets, etc) with some kind of Rate of Use so there's a chance of running out at critical moments.
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You could do that, I guess, but I'd rather just make it an occasional Compel.
Shaft:
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on July 11, 2017, 10:27:24 PM ---You don't need to spend Refresh to give a weapon a weapon rating.
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That's a fair point, and if we were talking about an obvious weapon such as a pistol, I would agree.
However, there's a difference between a pistol with 15 shots per clip and a wristband that has hundreds of shots which can be used before requiring a recharge. The wristband is also easily concealed, difficult to restrain, and possibly only usable by the person paying for the Refresh. Same thing for a wand, a ring, a gauntlet/glove or other wearable item that has ranged weapon properties.
For the lighting bow I described earlier, it'd be a judgement call. Never needing ammo and possibly having a faster rate of fire might justify the purchase.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on July 11, 2017, 10:27:24 PM ---You don't need to spend Refresh to give a weapon a weapon rating. So putting Breath Weapon on an IoP is like giving Lawbreaker to a non-spellcaster.
Huh, okay.
This custom Power might be worth a look.
It and Spider Walk are both more or less strictly worse than Wings, though.
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Oh, absolutely on all counts; that one fits perfectly for Spiderman, They are both still worse than actual Wings, and Id say Spiderman's abilities should fall short of Wings. But the original build was purchasing /both/ which doesnt seem right.
--- Quote ---You could do that, I guess, but I'd rather just make it an occasional Compel.
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Agreed, Compels are the far simpler (and for Fate Id argue more appropriate) way of handling it than what I described. I still really like the idea of getting there via the Potion Rules mostly for a closer fitting description (and because Screw Toby McGuire and his organic web shooters :P) but Im largely ignorant of what the mechanical implications of that would be.
Sanctaphrax:
--- Quote from: Shaft on July 12, 2017, 04:27:33 PM ---That's a fair point, and if we were talking about an obvious weapon such as a pistol, I would agree.
However, there's a difference between a pistol with 15 shots per clip and a wristband that has hundreds of shots which can be used before requiring a recharge. The wristband is also easily concealed, difficult to restrain, and possibly only usable by the person paying for the Refresh. Same thing for a wand, a ring, a gauntlet/glove or other wearable item that has ranged weapon properties.
For the lighting bow I described earlier, it'd be a judgement call. Never needing ammo and possibly having a faster rate of fire might justify the purchase.
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Extra ammo doesn't cost Refresh either. Rate of fire means nothing rules-wise. Both are really only relevant for Compels.
Conceal-ability and the like might be worth paying for, but they'd probably be overpriced at 1 Refresh.
As for a bow, bear in mind that a normal bow has better stats than a Breath Weapon. Spending Refresh on your magical superweapon shouldn't make it worse.
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