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A warden's sword for Harry...
Quantus:
--- Quote from: jonas on August 09, 2017, 07:27:44 PM ---That's my point though, it was strictly speaking a pure threshold effect applied to a church. An yea, Q pointed out people live in that church, but I point out, it being a church has no deteriorating effect on said threshold. If anything it takes concrete and adds rebar :)
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I think that is a better description of a Ward on top of a threshold, as one gets built directly on the other. The Holy Ground thing feels more like a Moat to me; a separate layer of defense at a different/outer location. Holy Ground extends to the property line (and/or the Fence in the case of a Cemetery), but the Threshold and any ward built on it ends at the Building. Which is good as Ghosts would need to be able to get to the church graveyard but not be able to bother the parishioners.
That being said, per WOJ Wards can be anchored to things besides home thresholds ("Well, you can use other kinds of similar energy structures, like ley lines, ogham stones, etc, but you can't just slap them down anywhere.") and Ogham Stones are a sort of Menhir standing stone that I could easily see being described as a druidy equivalent of Consecrated Ground. So maybe the Holy Ground aspect of a Church is just a different energy structure that can hold a Ward, similar to but distinct from the family-based Threshold?
Rasins:
--- Quote from: Quantus on August 10, 2017, 12:12:25 PM ---I think that is a better description of a Ward on top of a threshold, as one gets built directly on the other. The Holy Ground thing feels more like a Moat to me; a separate layer of defense at a different/outer location. Holy Ground extends to the property line (and/or the Fence in the case of a Cemetery), but the Threshold and any ward built on it ends at the Building. Which is good as Ghosts would need to be able to get to the church graveyard but not be able to bother the parishioners.
That being said, per WOJ Wards can be anchored to things besides home thresholds ("Well, you can use other kinds of similar energy structures, like ley lines, ogham stones, etc, but you can't just slap them down anywhere.") and Ogham Stones are a sort of Menhir standing stone that I could easily see being described as a druidy equivalent of Consecrated Ground. So maybe the Holy Ground aspect of a Church is just a different energy structure that can hold a Ward, similar to but distinct from the family-based Threshold?
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I tend to believe that it's more related to a Threshold than a ward, though it could be kind of both. When you figure that some Churches serve as burial places for the faithful, and if there is a wandering spirit from these crypts, then the threshold/Ward would have to behave differently.
The fact that the shadow of a fallen, and a LITERAL shadow of a fallen (Lash vs Lasciel) have both been inside St. Mary's suggests that the threshold/Ward effect doesn't apply to them, where as it did to the Nightmare (Kavros).
kazimmoinuddin:
While the winter knight is meant to be the weapon, I can't believe mab has not commissioned some kind of weapon or fic to give her knight a little more oomph. A winter knight weapon is sure to be cool.
Rasins:
--- Quote from: kazimmoinuddin on August 11, 2017, 08:19:36 PM ---While the winter knight is meant to be the weapon, I can't believe mab has not commissioned some kind of weapon or fic to give her knight a little more oomph. A winter knight weapon is sure to be cool.
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Actually I can see the exact opposite. I can see her telling Harry he can't use a weapon that he already has. I mean she already did it once.
khadgar4606:
--- Quote from: Rasins on August 11, 2017, 08:30:02 PM ---Actually I can see the exact opposite. I can see her telling Harry he can't use a weapon that he already has. I mean she already did it once.
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explain please besides magic and fiery temper what weapon harry gets from mab.
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