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A warden's sword for Harry...
Zaphodess:
--- Quote from: jonas on August 08, 2017, 10:01:51 PM ---...Ok, well. The Nightmare? He couldn't enter into the church but Harry the ghost(was Stuart with him? I don't recall) Unless you'd wanna say the nightmare couldn't enter because he believed it himself that's a clear case of it enacting purely threshold mechanics. He had no invite, he could enter because he had no ill will towards it's inhabitants. Same as Fairy house cleaners vs ugly toad demons.
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That "ghost" Harry could enter the church was one of the clues that tipped him off to the fact that he was more than just a ghost. ;)
Quantus:
--- Quote from: jonas on August 08, 2017, 10:01:51 PM ---Not sure precisely what your looking for there, any non religious/faith based effects?
...Ok, well. The Nightmare? He couldn't enter into the church but Harry the ghost(was Stuart with him? I don't recall) Unless you'd wanna say the nightmare couldn't enter because he believed it himself that's a clear case of it enacting purely threshold mechanics. He had no invite, he could enter because he had no ill will towards it's inhabitants. Same as Fairy house cleaners vs ugly toad demons.
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I guess my stance boils down to the idea that there is a defensive effect from being on Consecrated Ground, which is distinct from a Threshold. St. Mary's has Both, because it is a Church with actual residents; they overlap but are distinct in area and function. The Nightmare was able to physically manifest and damage stuff on the Holy Ground (which surprised Harry) but could not pass the actual door/walls of the threshold. But if St Mary's had nobody actually, currently living there it would not have had that second defensive line.
The rest of what you mention has more to do with the quantitative differences in the examples, as NO defense is absolute, a powerful enough being can always hammer through anything be it Threshold, Ward, or whathaveyou
jonas:
--- Quote from: Zaphodess on August 09, 2017, 08:24:57 AM ---That "ghost" Harry could enter the church was one of the clues that tipped him off to the fact that he was more than just a ghost. ;)
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Considering how the Nightmares Balliwick worked out compared to the usual ghost. His own admission he wasn't quite sure what he was and the fact he used a foreign BCV spellwork to do it all. I'm quite convinced he was more than just a ghost at the time. Considering the BC keeps trying to bring in a fearbringer/eater I find it unlikely indeed he was ever your average haunting.
Rasins:
--- Quote from: jonas on August 08, 2017, 10:01:51 PM ---Not sure precisely what your looking for there, any non religious/faith based effects?
...Ok, well. The Nightmare? He couldn't enter into the church but Harry the ghost(was Stuart with him? I don't recall) Unless you'd wanna say the nightmare couldn't enter because he believed it himself that's a clear case of it enacting purely threshold mechanics. He had no invite, he could enter because he had no ill will towards it's inhabitants. Same as Fairy house cleaners vs ugly toad demons.
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Could also have to do with intent. Like a threshold to fae, if they don't intend harm they can cross the threshold. So maybe the nightmare couldn't cross into the church because it intended harm. Ghost Harry could because he did not intend harm.
Also, he had an Archangel with him.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Rasins on August 09, 2017, 06:44:05 PM ---Could also have to do with intent. Like a threshold to fae, if they don't intend harm they can cross the threshold. So maybe the nightmare couldn't cross into the church because it intended harm. Ghost Harry could because he did not intend harm.
Also, he had an Archangel with him.
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That's my point though, it was strictly speaking a pure threshold effect applied to a church. An yea, Q pointed out people live in that church, but I point out, it being a church has no deteriorating effect on said threshold. If anything it takes concrete and adds rebar :)
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