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A warden's sword for Harry...
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--- Quote from: jonas on August 08, 2017, 08:14:13 PM ---No, it's not based on 'who lives there' in that sense. It's about who lives there in the technical sense of qualifying as a church. Now those qualifications... beyond my kin, I can see at least 3 different variations with more coming down the pipe, none of which solves for X. Churches despite possessing money aren't considered financial business's btw. That's why they get the tax breaks similar to non profit orgs. So you can have clergy living there or not, huge organizational monetary stability and still be considered a 'church'. I'd argue any valid church, molosk, ect. qualifies as long as it's to a monotheistic deity.
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Hmm I think true belief would have to play into it as well. Particularly belief in your value's. Churches that are more about the tax break or establishing a cult (a fine line I know) may not get as much power as churches attended by and to faithful believers.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: jonas on August 08, 2017, 08:14:13 PM ---No, it's not based on 'who lives there' in that sense. It's about who lives there in the technical sense of qualifying as a church. Now those qualifications... beyond my kin, I can see at least 3 different variations with more coming down the pipe, none of which solves for X.
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I dont think it does, in the same way that a family member cannot contribute to a Threashold without actually Living behind it. The "Family to Church" analogy is that no matter how Paramount Family is to a person, that one person cannot build a strong threshold alone, even if they are part of a massive dynasty.
Im not saying that being declared a House of God doesnt impart some sort of protection (though to the best of my knowledge there's zero evidence), but if it operates the way you describe I think it's not a Threshold anymore, but rather some other Sanctification effect.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Quantus on August 08, 2017, 08:26:44 PM ---I dont think it does, in the same way that a family member cannot contribute to a Threashold without actually Living behind it. The "Family to Church" analogy is that no matter how Paramount Family is to a person, that one person cannot build a strong threshold alone, even if they are part of a massive dynasty.
Im not saying that being declared a House of God doesnt impart some sort of protection (though to the best of my knowledge there's zero evidence), but if it operates the way you describe I think it's not a Threshold anymore, but rather some other Sanctification effect.
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House of god is a bit more an ephemeral idea than 4 walls though. I see it as a collection of all the faith of all the believers everywhere. People who go worship as 'sons of god', who 'live with god' everyday no matter where they are, ect. They are all connecting this as the earthly representation of where they go to dwell with god or where he himself is always to be found.
You know, when you start to look at what makes a threshold stronger, it comes down to those things TWG champions, especially love. That's one reason I've never found it a big stretch Mouse could use either. Either contains a threshold, The temple was just an augmented by angelic power dwelling there one. That's the only quantifiable difference. In which case it's as you say, and the fact TWG or any other associates live there effects the very nature of what's absorbed from them to the threshold, amount of transfer, ect.
*and anyone who wants to claim this isn't about DF religious activities, for shame to you :@
Quantus:
--- Quote from: jonas on August 08, 2017, 08:38:59 PM ---House of god is a bit more an ephemeral idea than 4 walls though. I see it as a collection of all the faith of all the believers everywhere. People who go worship as 'sons of god', who 'live with god' everyday no matter where they are, ect. They are all connecting this as the earthly representation of where they go to dwell with god or where he himself is always to be found.
You know, when you start to look at what makes a threshold stronger, it comes down to those things TWG champions, especially love. That's one reason I've never found it a big stretch Mouse could use either. Either contains a threshold, The temple was just an augmented by angelic power dwelling there one. That's the only quantifiable difference. In which case it's as you say, and the fact TWG or any other associates live there effects the very nature of what's absorbed from them to the threshold, amount of transfer, ect.
*and anyone who wants to claim this isn't about DF religious activities, for shame to you :@
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I dunno, I still see the Family threashold requirement for actual extended Presence being qualitatively different than a Church being protected by association to a religion. Not saying it's not present, but it feels like a separate mechanism. It feels more closely related Sanctification (my choice of term today, not actually mentioned anywhere); to how a Priest can make Holy Water, or declare a space to be Holy Ground (which I assume is significant to ghosts at least).
Separately though, I dont actually recall any indication that a Church has /any/ particular warding/defensive Power beyond that provided by Holy Water or a cross or other religious/Faith objects. Can you point me to an example?
jonas:
Not sure precisely what your looking for there, any non religious/faith based effects?
...Ok, well. The Nightmare? He couldn't enter into the church but Harry the ghost(was Stuart with him? I don't recall) Unless you'd wanna say the nightmare couldn't enter because he believed it himself that's a clear case of it enacting purely threshold mechanics. He had no invite, he could enter because he had no ill will towards it's inhabitants. Same as Fairy house cleaners vs ugly toad demons.
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