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The most frightening Denarian yet?
jonas:
--- Quote ---You mean his reference to a Nemfected Lady?
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No, his statement about college students being taught enough real magic to transform into a pack of wolves. Tera's actions.
--- Quote ---Would a Denarian Coin count as an Item of Faith against creatures with that Catch like Ramps and Blamps, like some sort of evil Holy Water?
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to someone like Nic or Deidre? Probably. Almost certainly since it's based entirely on perspective faith.
Wow, I just got a Yeats reference there, from our convo. The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity. It's Murph and Nic in SG.
forumghost:
I dunno if it would for Nico and the Nickelheads tbh.
To them the Coins are probably more like tools /weapons then anything.
Now if one of Nick's Squires got a hold of one, then I could see it.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: jonas on August 10, 2017, 06:10:59 AM --- And red court vampires? They live here, they possess freedom of will. They may be under the yoke of a different sort of hunger but they leave real flesh and blood corpses and are in possession of choices. Doth that make them human Too? ??? Me thinks your blanketing too much with 'human' that's not.
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Red Vampires are manifestly not human. But your comparisons are irrelevant to the question of humanity. Red Vampires cannot be soulgazed. They do not have free will in the human sense. They leave some kind of corpse behind, but so do Sidhe, and they aren't human. As far as we know, Red Vampires don't produce a tech bane when they use magic, unless they intend it.
All the indications point to the Forest People and White Court being humans. Nothing points to humanity for the Red Court.
jonas:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on August 11, 2017, 03:18:48 AM ---Red Vampires are manifestly not human. But your comparisons are irrelevant to the question of humanity. Red Vampires cannot be soulgazed. They do not have free will in the human sense. They leave some kind of corpse behind, but so do Sidhe, and they aren't human. As far as we know, Red Vampires don't produce a tech bane when they use magic, unless they intend it.
All the indications point to the Forest People and White Court being humans. Nothing points to humanity for the Red Court.
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nothing points to a forest person being a 'human'. Or WCV and Wizards being pure human for that matter.
And Sidhe don't live here, but still have a body, still have some soul in there make up iirc. After all, a lifetime in the NN shoulda turned the queens to goo by woj on eating fae food, but it didn't did it ???
And as Q's verey good reasoning points out, it's unlikely but still unprovable Ramps don't have choices.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: jonas on August 10, 2017, 12:41:15 PM ---Define the ability to choose to resist the hunger vs blood slave then? What your saying there amounts to, they're more bat than human. Purely by what you said, Susan wouldn't have had anything left to choose from after one feeding.
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She didn't. Once she killed for blood, Susan Ramirez was finished, a Red Court monster with her memories and a mind superficially similar to Susan's was in the process of taking her place. If Harry had waited more than a few moments to kill her, the thing that took her place would have been just as much his and Maggie's enemy as the Red King.
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Maybe you got the 'in line with what's shown to the viewer from perspective', but is it really what's shown canonically? You want talk about soul gazes and people who do or don't have one, Harry avoids hades for fear of one, despite the many claims Mab would have no soul(certainly she is all Sidhe) but at the same time Harry as never met her eye's, and again has intentionally looked away when she challenged him to do so. The Reds and their hypno eyes more imply whatever they have is wolf to our deer, we get caught in the headlights. So it doesn't always get a cut and dry answer.
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Things can pass through eye-contact in the DV besides soulgazes. But soulgazes either are or not.
The White Court 'vampires' are fundamentally different than the Black and Red Courts. When you're converted into one of them, you, the original human you, dies. What takes your place is something else, albeit made out of your physical and mental remains.
You don't get turned into a White Court 'vampire' at all, you're born that way by ordinary sexual reproduction. They're not even strictly vampires at all, in that sense, just predators.
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