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New Blackstaff discussion
jonas:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on July 07, 2017, 06:31:19 PM ---I think it's only the queens that can't kill unaffiliated mortals -- nothing has been stopping trolls from eating children or the Redcap from murdering travelers.
So long as you're not actually a queen, you're free to kill whoever you want.
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Sidhe, say it with me Sidhe. Not fae or Faerie. If you notice Lea can't just do whatever she wants either. Harry goes out of his way to explain why she can get to him multiple times. Leah 'lawyered' the CH hounds as helping to complete the quest. Don't pretend to know about the redcaps situation.
*yea again, see Leahnansidhe
Rasins:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on July 07, 2017, 06:34:39 PM ---The way I've always seen it, the Laws of Magic apply to mortals only, going both ways. I mean, Leah turns everyone into dogs without a problem and she's throwing around deadly magic without a care in the world in Changes.
It's got to do with free will and one's nature. A human's nature is changeable -- a fae's isn't. They're beholden entirely to their nature, so if they use magic to kill, then it's already in their nature to do so.
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--- Quote from: Mr. Death on July 07, 2017, 06:34:39 PM ---The way I've always seen it, the Laws of Magic apply to mortals only, going both ways. I mean, Leah turns everyone into dogs without a problem and she's throwing around deadly magic without a care in the world in Changes.
It's got to do with free will and one's nature. A human's nature is changeable -- a fae's isn't. They're beholden entirely to their nature, so if they use magic to kill, then it's already in their nature to do so.
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True, but supposedly the taint drives one mad, like the Korean boy. With the Leasidhe, how would you know she'd gone mad?
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: jonas on July 07, 2017, 06:35:35 PM ---Sidhe, say it with me Sidhe. Not fae or Faerie. If you notice Lea can't just do whatever she wants either. Harry goes out of his way to explain why she can get to him multiple times. Leah 'lawyered' the CH hounds as helping to complete the quest. Don't pretend to know about the redcaps situation.
*yea again, see Leahnansidhe
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Harry is talking about things like how she can control or heal him because they're connected. If she just wanted him dead, there's nothing stopping her from just stabbing him.
Check the sequence in Changes: Lea never "lawyers" anything. She just does it. Then when she changes them back, she freely offers to turn any of them back if they want.
And what do you mean "don't pretend to know"? Harry says outright what the Redcap does and the Redcap confirms it. That's the myth of the Redcap in the first place -- that it murders people.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on July 07, 2017, 06:46:13 PM ---Harry is talking about things like how she can control or heal him because they're connected. If she just wanted him dead, there's nothing stopping her from just stabbing him.
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Now... are we talking killing with magic or not? Either way once you've made connections with the Sidhe your no longer 'off the board' of their games.
--- Quote ---Check the sequence in Changes: Lea never "lawyers" anything. She just does it. Then when she changes them back, she freely offers to turn any of them back if they want.
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check it again
--- Quote from: Harry Dresden ---Godmother. I hope you have some way to get us to the temple a little more swiftly?
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He gave her an excuse to do something she always wanted to and then she laughs about it. If they give her permission before she changes them back how does that break, well, anything at all?
--- Quote ---And what do you mean "don't pretend to know"? Harry says outright what the Redcap does and the Redcap confirms it. That's the myth of the Redcap in the first place -- that it murders people.
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again... thought we were mainly talking about magic, as Redcap kills up close and personal. Now prove that he's ever killed at least one completely random person without them being connected to the courts or duped into giving him an opening in some way? Since it's not in the books, I won't pretend to know how he does what he does ;)
Mr. Death:
The Laws of Magic have nothing to do with permission. Harry gave Molly permission to muck with his mind, and it was still a violation of the law.
Things are getting muddled here -- point is, nobody in the whole series ever brings up anything Faeries do -- killing, transforming, mind-screwing -- as being related to or falling under the Laws of Magic. I honestly thought it was simply a given that they weren't affected by the taint because nobody in the world seems to care.
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