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The Mothers' Cottage and Earth...
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on June 22, 2017, 07:00:11 PM ---Okay, forget everything I've proposed and go solely on what Aurora says in SK.When you read this, what are you interpreting "Summer" as? I'm interpreting it as the Court.
When I read this, I interpret it again as Aurora saying the Summer Court is at peak strength. Which implies their strength, their power, ebbs and wanes with the seasons.
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I agree with both of those, where I differ is in the idea that the Summer Court she's talking about is the sum total of Summer on Earth.
I think you are picturing a single Ball of Power that floats back and forth from Summer to Winter and Back, so when Summers power is Waxing toward Midsummer and Winters in Waning, it's because Power is moving from one Season/Court to the other; Summer is stronger at Midsummer because that's when they hold the Largest Share of total Season-Power.
I Picture two separate but equal Balls of Power (Muspel and Nifel, per Norse Creation, but I digress). When Summer's power begins to drop, that Power (which per the Mothers cannot be created or destroyed) is slipping to the Southern Hemisphere in equal Measures (because that's how Seasons normally work across hemispheres), and to counter that Winter's Power is moving up from the Southern Hemisphere in lockstep.
You are picturing one ball being passed back and forth, Im picturing two separate but (nominally) equal balls of Power that are being passed Up and Down with opposite timing.
The linchpin of all that is the WOJ on there being a Single Stone Table. If it were as you describe and Only the Northern Hemisphere matters, that the Southern seasons simply do not factor in, then A)the Table would never move, and B) the relative politics of the Wyld would not matter.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 22, 2017, 07:55:09 PM ---I agree with both of those, where I differ is in the idea that the Summer Court she's talking about is the sum total of Summer on Earth.
I think you are picturing a single Ball of Power that floats back and forth from Summer to Winter and Back, so when Summers power is Waxing toward Midsummer and Winters in Waning, it's because Power is moving from one Season/Court to the other; Summer is stronger at Midsummer because that's when they hold the Largest Share of total Season-Power.
I Picture two separate but equal Balls of Power (Muspel and Nifel, per Norse Creation, but I digress). When Summer's power begins to drop, that Power (which per the Mothers cannot be created or destroyed) is slipping to the Southern Hemisphere in equal Measures (because that's how Seasons normally work across hemispheres), and to counter that Winter's Power is moving up from the Southern Hemisphere in lockstep.
You are picturing one ball being passed back and forth, Im picturing two separate but (nominally) equal balls of Power that are being passed Up and Down with opposite timing.
The linchpin of all that is the WOJ on there being a Single Stone Table. If it were as you describe and Only the Northern Hemisphere matters, that the Southern seasons simply do not factor in, then A)the Table would never move, and B) the relative politics of the Wyld would not matter.
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So are you saying that the Summer Court doesn't have access to the Seasonal Power in the southern hemisphere, and the same for the Winter Court in southern winter? Which makes them weaker? Because that's the only way they could lose power like you're describing. But that doesn't work with them taking the stone table down there when needed.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on June 22, 2017, 08:01:43 PM ---So are you saying that the Summer Court doesn't have access to the Seasonal Power in the southern hemisphere, and the same for the Winter Court in southern winter? Which makes them weaker? Because that's the only way they could lose power like you're describing. But that doesn't work with them taking the stone table down there when needed.
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...I dont think so? You lost me on that leap.
I guess what Im saying is that in June of a given year, Mab has access to different levels of Power depending on which hemisphere she is standing in at any given moment. SK was described as it was, and fell out as it was, because the Fight was taking place in the Northern Hemisphere. In theory Aurora's plan would have work in the Southern hemisphere (maybe not quite as well do the the "less absolute" control the courts have so the weather fallout might not have been as intense) but she'd have had to wait 6 months because she needed the Table to be getting passed Summer to Winter for her plan to succeed.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 22, 2017, 08:03:29 PM ---...I dont think so? You lost me on that leap.
I guess what Im saying is that in June of a given year, Mab has access to different levels of Power depending on which hemisphere she is standing in at any given moment. SK was described as it was, and fell out as it was, because the Fight was taking place in the Northern Hemisphere. In theory Aurora's plan would have work in the Southern hemisphere (maybe not quite as well do the the "less absolute" control the courts have so the weather fallout might not have been as intense) but she'd have had to wait 6 months because she needed the Table to be getting passed Summer to Winter for her plan to succeed.
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That doesn't make sense to me. What you're suggesting makes "possession" of the Table pointless, because as soon as the summer solstice ended, Titania could have moved it to the southern hemisphere. Mab would have been more powerful than her, but she wouldn't have been able to pour the SK's power into Winter, because Summer would be in control down there.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 22, 2017, 08:03:29 PM ---...I dont think so? You lost me on that leap.
I guess what Im saying is that in June of a given year, Mab has access to different levels of Power depending on which hemisphere she is standing in at any given moment. SK was described as it was, and fell out as it was, because the Fight was taking place in the Northern Hemisphere. In theory Aurora's plan would have work in the Southern hemisphere (maybe not quite as well do the the "less absolute" control the courts have so the weather fallout might not have been as intense) but she'd have had to wait 6 months because she needed the Table to be getting passed Summer to Winter for her plan to succeed.
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Pretty sure the Sidhe got their power mostly from European paganism, and such. So the Winter, and Summer solstice would align with those beliefs, and not because of the weather in different parts of the world.
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