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Griffyn612:

--- Quote from: Quantus on June 21, 2017, 01:22:22 PM ---Dude, that's all still based on a fundamental Assumption that the two hemispheres are not balanced in terms of Power, which to my mind falls somewhere between unlikely and impossible.

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If the total power available from Aspect of Season is 100 gigajoules, then it would be divided equally between the Courts at all times.  50GJ for Summer, 50GJ for Winter, at any given time of the year.

Except, SK established that there is a dominant Court throughout the year, and that Court's dominance coincides with the season of the Northern hemisphere.

So, either there is an imbalance with the Aspect of Season power (which neither of us thinks is logical), or there's another source of power at play.

That's where human free will given to the Courts comes into it.  The fluctuation in Court power comes from human donations, which are influenced by the population's Seasonal Perception.  If we say each human gives 1 joule of free will, that gives the northern hemisphere 6.6GJ to donate, and the southern hemisphere gives 0.9GJ.

On the Northern Summer Solstice (today!), the Summer Court's power is AoS (50GJ) + Northern Seasonal Perception (6.6GJ) for a total of 56.6GJ.  At the same time, the Winter Court has AoS (50GJ) + Southern Seasonal Perception (0.9GJ) for a total of 50.9GJ.  At this peak, the SC is 5.7GJ stronger than Winter.

The day after the Northern Summer Solstice (tomorrow!), the Northern Seasonal Perception will begin to shift toward the inevitable Winter.  Each day will see 36.16 megajoules shift from the NSP to Winter, just as 4.9MJ shifts from the SSP to Summer.

At the Northern Autumnal Equinox, the NSP will be halfway to winter, even as the SSP is halfway to summer.  The Summer Court's power would be AoS (50GJ) + 1/2 NSP (3.3GJ) + 1/2 SSP (0.45GJ) for a total of 53.75GJ.  Winter would get half of each seasonal perception as well, putting the Courts at balance with 53.75GJ each.

Thus do we get a shifting balance of power between the Courts without either season being dominant.  If 90% of the human population lived in the Southern hemisphere, then it would be the "dominant" seasonal perception.  But since most of the population lives in the North, the Courts are forced to sway to their perceptions of the "dominant" season.

Quantus:

--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on June 21, 2017, 06:41:00 PM ---If the total power available from Aspect of Season is 100 gigajoules, then it would be divided equally between the Courts at all times.  50GJ for Summer, 50GJ for Winter, at any given time of the year.

Except, SK established that there is a dominant Court throughout the year, and that Court's dominance coincides with the season of the Northern hemisphere.

So, either there is an imbalance with the Aspect of Season power (which neither of us thinks is logical), or there's another source of power at play.


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This is the burried assumption that I think is taking you off the rails (from my POV).  SK only establishes that The Summer Court is more more powerful during it's Namesake season (peaking at Midsummer) in the Northern Hemisphere. So theoretically Titania's Power Ebs and Flows depending on both When AND Where she is standing.

The total Power of Summer (which is a wildly different thing that the Power of Titania and her Court) would remain constant because while it's at it's Maximin in the North it's at it's Minimim in the South, and vice versa for Winter; Thus Balance.  Neither Season (Total Season mind you, not just the Court) actually goes away, it just trades prominence.

Griffyn612:

--- Quote from: Quantus on June 21, 2017, 08:45:42 PM ---This is the burried assumption that I think is taking you off the rails (from my POV).  SK only establishes that The Summer Court is more more powerful during it's Namesake season (peaking at Midsummer) in the Northern Hemisphere. So theoretically Titania's Power Ebs and Flows depending on both When AND Where she is standing.

The total Power of Summer (which is a wildly different thing that the Power of Titania and her Court) would remain constant because while it's at it's Maximin in the North it's at it's Minimim in the South, and vice versa for Winter; Thus Balance.  Neither Season (Total Season mind you, not just the Court) actually goes away, it just trades prominence.

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I don't see any wiggle room, unless you think Aurora is lying.

--- Quote ---   “The seasons are changing,” Aurora said. “In two days’ time,
Midsummer will be upon us. The height of Summer’s strength.”
  She said nothing more, letting me do the math. “You think
Winter has taken away your Knight,” I said. “And if you wait,
you’re only going to grow more and more weak, while Winter
gets stronger. Right?”
   “Correct. If we are to have any chance of victory, we must
strike while at the peak of our strength. It will be the only time
when our Court might be near equal to Winter’s strength.
Otherwise, the seasons will change, and at Midwinter Mab and
her creatures will come for us. And they will destroy us, and
with us the balances of the mortal world.”

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Quantus:

--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on June 21, 2017, 10:42:37 PM ---I don't see any wiggle room, unless you think Aurora is lying.

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While Im confident she could Lie, She wouldnt need to be, because once again we're confusing the COURT with the WHOLE.  She isnt lying anymore than Lea or Mab was Lying when they said that Lea was the Second most Powerful fae in all Winter next to Mab, even though Mother Winter Exists. Or anymore than when ever fae in history told somebody that the Forces of Summer and Winter were equal.  Context matters with them. 


If things operated as you say, then the Gates would be attacked HARD ever single Midsummer.  The Power each can play with in the Mortal realm, the part that is subject to Court Politics, ebs and flows, but I cannot buy that the total Sum of Power is as variable as you want to think. 

Griffyn612:

--- Quote from: Quantus on June 22, 2017, 12:24:48 PM ---While Im confident she could Lie, She wouldnt need to be, because once again we're confusing the COURT with the WHOLE.  She isnt lying anymore than Lea or Mab was Lying when they said that Lea was the Second most Powerful fae in all Winter next to Mab, even though Mother Winter Exists. Or anymore than when ever fae in history told somebody that the Forces of Summer and Winter were equal.  Context matters with them. 


If things operated as you say, then the Gates would be attacked HARD ever single Midsummer.  The Power each can play with in the Mortal realm, the part that is subject to Court Politics, ebs and flows, but I cannot buy that the total Sum of Power is as variable as you want to think.

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Honestly, I'm not sure where to go with this.  The text clearly establishes that one Court grows stronger while the other weakens based on the active season in the northern hemisphere.

If their power was constant due to hemispheric equality, then the entire premise of Aurora's plan is false.  The entire plot of SK, with the Table passing from Court to Court, is pointless.

As for the Gates, those are manned by personnel, not by power.  What's more, there were goblins fighting (whom aren't members of Winter, even if they fight for them sometimes) and Summer Fae serving alongside Winter's troops.  It's a team effort, one that doesn't seem dependent on any fluctuating power levels between the Courts.

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