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Are the Mothers immune to iron?
groinkick:
I wonder if Mother Winter's Mantle that is immune to Iron was obtained before, or after she became Mother Winter.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: groinkick on July 21, 2017, 08:07:26 PM ---I wonder if Mother Winter's Mantle that is immune to Iron was obtained before, or after she became Mother Winter.
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Hard to say, though if the Iron Teeth are indeed a Baba Yaga reference, wikipedia says the name is from the 16th century and the roots might into early medieval periods, which sound like it's a latter thing.
Rasins:
--- Quote from: Quantus on July 23, 2017, 09:19:01 PM ---Hard to say, though if the Iron Teeth are indeed a Baba Yaga reference, wikipedia says the name is from the 16th century and the roots might into early medieval periods, which sound like it's a latter thing.
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I think a lot of that has to do with who she was before MW
vultur:
--- Quote from: Quantus on July 19, 2017, 11:58:52 AM ---Well, her full name is Margaret Katherine Amanda Carpenter, so any of those might work as a more formal Name.
Or, as Mira indicated, she might choose a wholly new name as her public moniker. Per WOJ "Mab" is not her actual Name, or at least not her whole Name. Maybe she'll choose one, or eventually decide to adopt something fitting. The name "Maeve" appears in 1st century literature while the DF Maeve supposedly was born only a couple centuries ago, so maybe it's something that gets "picked"?
Despite all the talk about how the mantle will eventually overwrite the host entirely, we've seen several Ladies come and go without name changes, they seem to maintain much more of their Human identities and natures (part of the Lady role in the cosmic balance, methinks). At the other end you have the Mothers that do not appear to maintain much in the way of personal identity (though they might just not share with Harry).
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I wouldn't be surprised if Mab is the original Medb/Maeve (of Connacht) and just passed on the name (which she no longer used) to her daughter... some people think that Medb is where the name Mab originally came from (Wikipedia says that's probably wrong, but the idea is definitely out there, and Jim might have seen it & liked it).
Mab's "only" been Queen of Winter for about a thousand years, but she could have lived in Ireland as a changeling in the 1st century, and spent the intervening time as Winter Lady.
vultur:
--- Quote from: Rasins on July 25, 2017, 05:42:35 PM ---I think a lot of that has to do with who she was before MW
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My WAG is that the current Mother Winter (the only "original" holder among the current holders of the 6 Faerie Queen Mantles) is actually the original Hecate, who Bob suggests (in Welcome to the Jungle) was a Hecatean Hag who used an ascension rite.
Thus, she's not inherently Fae. While she's using her Fae mantle (as opposed to Atropos/Skuld, Baba Yaga, etc.) iron actually piercing her might be a bad thing, but she's probably OK as long as she doesn't bite her tongue with the iron teeth or cut herself with the cleaver. And a being on her cosmic level of power might be able to mitigate even those effects.
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