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Are the Mothers immune to iron?

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groinkick:

--- Quote from: Serack on June 20, 2017, 04:32:27 PM ---Quantus has already mentioned it, but IMO the teeth represent different roles she caries, and my theory is that the Iron Teeth roll isn't a farie one. 

There is precedent for this kind of thing in WoJ on Vadderung, which Quantus also mentioned.

I believe it's also possible that Mother Winter flat out isn't vulnerable to iron, but at a minimum, she has certain rolls or mantles she inhabits that aren't.

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Perhaps it's a good idea to go back and look at exactly what was happening when she was seen with the Iron teeth.  Perhaps it will point out some clues as to why at that particular time she wasn't in her Mother Winter Fae Mantle.

ViperMagnum357:
When Harry summons her, he calls her by 2 other names-Atropos, and Skuld. That may be why she is holding an iron cleaver when she pulls him into the cottage.

Quantus:

--- Quote from: groinkick on June 20, 2017, 05:20:18 PM ---Perhaps it's a good idea to go back and look at exactly what was happening when she was seen with the Iron teeth.  Perhaps it will point out some clues as to why at that particular time she wasn't in her Mother Winter Fae Mantle.

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In SK it was part of the initial description of the cottage:


--- Quote from: SK ch. 26 ---The place was all one room. The floor was wooden, though the boards looked weathered and dry. Shelves stood against the stone walls. A loom rested in the far corner, near the fireplace, a spinning wheel beside it. Before the fireplace sat a rocking chair, occupied, squeaking as it moved. A figure sat in it, shrouded in a shawl, a hood, as though someone had animated a bundle of blankets and cloth. On the hearth above the fireplace sat several sets of teeth, more or less human-sized. One looked simple enough, all white and even. The next was rotted-looking, with chipped incisors and a broken molar. The next set had all pointed teeth, stained with bits of rusty brown and what looked like rotten bits of flesh stuck between them. The last was made out of some kind of silvery metal, shining like a sword.
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In CD it was first in the Summoning itself, and then color description of flashes in the dark, pre-hulk moment:

--- Quote from: CD Ch 31 ---Fire and water hissed and spit, and wind moaned over the top of my grave. I braced my hands on either side of it, closed my eyes, and spoke the invocation I’d chosen, infusing my voice with my will. “Ancient crone, harbinger!” I began, then raised my voice, louder. “Longest shadow! Darkest dream! She of the endless hunger, the iron teeth, the merciless jaws!” I poured more of my wind and my will into the words, and the inside of my grave rang with the sheer volume. “I am Harry Dresden, the Winter Knight, and I needs must speak with thee! Athropos! Skuld! Mother Winter, I summon thee!”
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--- Quote from: CD Ch 31 ---There was a sound in the pitch-darkness. Steel being drawn across stone. A few sparks went up, blinding in the darkness. They burned into my retinas the outline of a massive, hunched form grasping a cleaver.

Sparks danced every few seconds as Mother Winter slowly sharpened her implement. I was able to get my breathing under control and to fight past the pain. “Mmm . . .” I said. “M-Mother Winter. Such a pleasure to meet with you again.”

The next burst of sparks gleamed off of an iron surface—teeth.

“I n-need to speak to you.”

“Speak, then, manling,” said Mother Winter. “You have a little time left.”
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groinkick:
Then as pointed out by Griff, I think she came in her Baba Yaga Mantle.

Wiki:

Scholars have identified a variety of beings in folklore and mythology who share similarities of varying extent with Baba Yaga. These similarities may be due to either direct relation or cultural contact between the Eastern Slavs and other surrounding peoples. In Eastern Europe, these figures include the Bulgarian gorska majka ('Forest Mother'); the Serbian Baba Korizma, Gvozdenzuba ('Iron Tooth'), Baba Roga (also used to scare children in Croatia and Bosnia), šumska majka ('Forest Mother'), and the babice; and the Slovenian Baba Pehtra (Perchta). In Romanian folklore, similarities have been identified in several figures, including Muma padurii ('Forest Mother'). In neighboring Germanic Europe, similarities have been observed between the Alpine Perchta and Holda or Holle in the folklore of Central and Northern Germany, and the Swiss Chlungeri.[12]

Quantus:

--- Quote from: groinkick on June 20, 2017, 06:30:38 PM ---Then as pointed out by Griff, I think she came in her Baba Yaga Mantle.

Wiki:

Scholars have identified a variety of beings in folklore and mythology who share similarities of varying extent with Baba Yaga. These similarities may be due to either direct relation or cultural contact between the Eastern Slavs and other surrounding peoples. In Eastern Europe, these figures include the Bulgarian gorska majka ('Forest Mother'); the Serbian Baba Korizma, Gvozdenzuba ('Iron Tooth'), Baba Roga (also used to scare children in Croatia and Bosnia), šumska majka ('Forest Mother'), and the babice; and the Slovenian Baba Pehtra (Perchta). In Romanian folklore, similarities have been identified in several figures, including Muma padurii ('Forest Mother'). In neighboring Germanic Europe, similarities have been observed between the Alpine Perchta and Holda or Holle in the folklore of Central and Northern Germany, and the Swiss Chlungeri.[12]

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  There is a WOJ that refers to her as Baba Yaga as well, fwiw:



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More on Fae mantle changes
if the Ladies become the Queen, what happens to the Mothers at that point? The thing is that the Mothers are kind of the foundation.  So, it’s not so much what happens to them because the little mantles changed. It’s what happens to the little mantles if the big mantles change. So, if someone whacks the being that is, for all intents and purposes, Baba Yaga, and then Mab succeeds, then Mab becomes the new Baba Yaga, and Molly gets drawn up to Mab, and they have to find someone else to become the new Lady. But on the other hand, the Mothers are extremely powerful beings (continued in the cosmology/mantle sub-section)

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