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Weapons that can kill Immortals?
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--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on July 06, 2017, 06:18:05 AM ---I've seen that theory (that Shagnasty was Morgan's creature), but to my knowledge there's been no WoJ supporting it and I've seen no evidence at all of it in the texts.
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Oh, agreed. It's not confirmed in anything I know of, and it's barely hinted in the books, though it also doesnt contradict anything I know of. The closest thing that Id call support of this theory is the WOJ on Shagnasty's motivations, which were that he was hired but that things like him to get paid in money, they operate in a world of Favors and Grudges.
I do think the logic of the argument stands up fairly well, in that that Shaggy a) was "hired", doesnt care about money but very much cares about grudges, and b) should need some extreme motivation to chase Morgan given the innate weakening he faces by leaving his native lands.
jonas:
Something interesting I came across on Skinwalkers is in order for a human to become one they, as a 'witch' already, have to murder a member of their own family. Considering what the skinwalkers are, where they came from, and how many of them are locked away in DR, I think the guy in PG had very good reasons for his insanity of 'being a god'. Connections for N, black magic taint and prisoners looking for a mirror/outlet?
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--- Quote from: jonas on July 06, 2017, 10:02:02 PM ---Something interesting I came across on Skinwalkers is in order for a human to become one they, as a 'witch' already, have to murder a member of their own family. Considering what the skinwalkers are, where they came from, and how many of them are locked away in DR, I think the guy in PG had very good reasons for his insanity of 'being a god'. Connections for N, black magic taint and prisoners looking for a mirror/outlet?
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I see the similarities. just to check, your not saying that kid in PG was on his way to becoming a (trained style) Naagloshii, no? Naagloshii are specific and limited to the American Southwest, they loose power the longer they are away from it; the kid in PG was from Korea iirc, so I dont think that would be the Corrutpion tradition he was working with. Though I would not be at all surprised if there wasnt an Eastern equivalent, either a similar creature with a training/corrution mechanism or the actual Same entity that simply has a different name in eastern Languages.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Quantus on July 07, 2017, 04:04:14 PM ---I see the similarities. just to check, your not saying that kid in PG was on his way to becoming a (trained style) Naagloshii, no? Naagloshii are specific and limited to the American Southwest, they loose power the longer they are away from it; the kid in PG was from Korea iirc, so I dont think that would be the Corrutpion tradition he was working with. Though I would not be at all surprised if there wasnt an Eastern equivalent, either a similar creature with a training/corrution mechanism or the actual Same entity that simply has a different name in eastern Languages.
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Oh yea, skinwalker myths abound and not all of them are Am-southwest. For simplicities sake I'd say all such beings are the same beings under different names and legends, All with their own area's.
I think the biggest difference between the kid and any other human to Naagloshi probably WAS the training. Naagloshi, the originals are semidivine beings limited to their own 'holy' land. can't recall specifically why they couldn't leave their lands. Why in the thematic of the DF do they lose said power though? I think they can only keep full power on their own land because It's their sanctum, they are bonded to the land there and leaving it subjects them to Rent they can't pay. So it comes out of their personal self, it might even be that the land rejects them(Mother says you have no place here, Father says, ect) and cuts off their power supply or causes it's flow to dwindle just like a sanctum would increase the flow. So no magical intake on a creature that seemingly runs on magic. Not sure if this would apply to human to Naagloshi though, no divinity, so?
Bottom line, I think by being like the skinwalkers they invite them in, even those whom may be trapped elsewhere with "the least opportunity to express themselves".
Quantus:
--- Quote from: jonas on July 07, 2017, 04:41:47 PM ---Oh yea, skinwalker myths abound and not all of them are Am-southwest. For simplicities sake I'd say all such beings are the same beings under different names and legends, All with their own area's.
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Id be careful on that. "Skinwalker" is a term that is widely used but also very diverse in its application. Just because another myth gets translated to "Skinwalker" wouldnt be enough on it's own to equate them with Naagloshii in my book. Many Skinwalker usages Ive seen, for example, are basically just (usually evil) shapeshifters. The Dresden TV show had a "Skinwalker" that was mostly just a shapeshifter with a Buffalo Bill fetish.
The elements Id look for to equate with a Naagloshii are shapeshifting and/or innate Magic, the whole Power Via Fear thing, the "Intellectus for Torture" Ability, the presence of both Native/divine versions and the Trained Ex-Human ones, and also the part where they are Anchored to a particular geographic location and loose power if they leave.
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