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Weapons that can kill Immortals?
Quantus:
Would you really expect a knife historically known as "White Hilt" to be all black with an /obsidian/ blade? Similarly the knife used on the Stone table was described as a bronze leaf-shapes blade with a simple wood and leather hilt.
Fwiw, where Carnwennan appears, it is one of Three magic weapons attributed to Arthur: Rhongomiant, Arthur's spear, and Caledfwlch, Arthur's sword, as sacred weapons given to him by God. This has me thinking of KotC. Since we already know that a) Arthur had Amoracchius, b)Wielders of Amoracchius are considered unusual even by KotC standards, and c) the only time a single person has wielded multiple Swords was Michael (DM, Ch. 32). I have to at least raise the possibility that Arthur was just so damn badass that he was actually given use of all three? As far as Hero levels go, he's got to rank up there with Merlin, who himself seems to have all but built the modern world order while breaking nigh cosmic-level natural laws (DR construction)
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 12, 2017, 07:03:16 PM ---Would you really expect a knife historically known as "White Hilt" to be all black with an /obsidian/ blade? Similarly the knife used on the Stone table was described as a bronze leaf-shapes blade with a simple wood and leather hilt.
Fwiw, where Carnwennan appears, it is one of Three magic weapons attributed to Arthur: Rhongomiant, Arthur's spear, and Caledfwlch, Arthur's sword, as sacred weapons given to him by God. This has me thinking of KotC. Since we already know that a) Arthur had Amoracchius, b)Wielders of Amoracchius are considered unusual even by KotC standards, and c) the only time a single person has wielded multiple Swords was Michael (DM, Ch. 32). I have to at least raise the possibility that Arthur was just so damn badass that he was actually given use of all three? As far as Hero levels go, he's got to rank up there with Merlin, who himself seems to have all but built the modern world order while breaking nigh cosmic-level natural laws (DR construction)
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Yeah the description of her blade is a major death blow to my theory, unless she modified Carnwennan for some reason. If it's not the blade did Jim create his own lore, or what? Because I can't find anything like that connected to her.
In lore she is able to turn things (including herself) into stone.. So my theory is on life support but she may have Carnwennan, and turned it into the obsidian blade we see in the book.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: groinkick on June 12, 2017, 07:07:37 PM ---Yeah the description of her blade is a major death blow to my theory, unless she modified Carnwennan for some reason. If it's not the blade did Jim create his own lore, or what? Because I can't find anything like that connected to her.
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Id propose that all that means is that the athame was not already Famous in the same way most of the other magical artifacts were. Per the WOJ on it, It sounds like it started as an ordinary thing, but the Athame accumulated Power through repeated Use rather than some specific endowment. So Perhaps it wasnt yet "special" when Morgana had it, but she was famous and her followers kept using it and revering it, until if took on Power of it's own. So by comparison, if the Council had preserved the original Merlin's staff (or any other famous wizards staff) and they'd kept it in active use all that time (maybe ceremonially pass it on to each sucessor) it would gain similar power. Do you think that interpretation would fit the WOJ below?
--- Quote ---What is the Black Athame, and what is it’s relation to Medea’s Bodkin?
The Black Athame was Morgan La Fay’s athame. That was the one that got traded around in Grave Peril… at the vampire costume party. Well an Athame is the original knife that was used in magic, and while they aren’t necessarily magical themselves, if you involve them in enough really cool big things that are going on, they start gaining their own sort of power and their own sort of awareness. Which is not to say they become intelligent or anything, but they become very extremely dangerous tools. And that one was a very, very dangerous tool, on a level with Ammoracchius, which is why it got traded that way. Medea’s Bodkin is another Athame that is far older, and is used more classically documented witches. The ones who actually survived falls of several empires there –you still hear about them- Also a very bad news kind of implement, just so you know.
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groinkick:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 12, 2017, 07:18:36 PM ---Id propose that all that means is that the athame was not already Famous in the same way most of the other magical artifacts were. Per the WOJ on it, It sounds like it started as an ordinary thing, but the Athame accumulated Power through repeated Use rather than some specific endowment. So Perhaps it wasnt yet "special" when Morgana had it, but she was famous and her followers kept using it and revering it, until if took on Power of it's own. So by comparison, if the Council had preserved the original Merlin's staff (or any other famous wizards staff) and they'd kept it in active use all that time (maybe ceremonially pass it on to each sucessor) it would gain similar power. Do you think that interpretation would fit the WOJ below?
What is the Black Athame, and what is it’s relation to Medea’s Bodkin?
The Black Athame was Morgan La Fay’s athame. That was the one that got traded around in Grave Peril… at the vampire costume party. Well an Athame is the original knife that was used in magic, and while they aren’t necessarily magical themselves, if you involve them in enough really cool big things that are going on, they start gaining their own sort of power and their own sort of awareness. Which is not to say they become intelligent or anything, but they become very extremely dangerous tools. And that one was a very, very dangerous tool, on a level with Ammoracchius, which is why it got traded that way. Medea’s Bodkin is another Athame that is far older, and is used more classically documented witches. The ones who actually survived falls of several empires there –you still hear about them- Also a very bad news kind of implement, just so you know.
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Interesting! Wonder if that's how the Black Staff gained it's power
Quantus:
--- Quote from: groinkick on June 12, 2017, 07:21:01 PM ---Interesting! Wonder if that's how the Black Staff gained it's power
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Hmmm, possible? Here's the WOJ on the Blackstaff's sources of Power, I think you could read it in that light (there's certainly similar wording there), depending on how you envision Mother Winter's wild college years...
--- Quote ---2013 Wyrdcon Q&A
The Blackstaff is not sentient per se it’s just really, really, really powerful and tapped into like some serious elemental powers in the universe. But basically all it really is is insulation from using those powers.
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