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Weapons that can kill Immortals?
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--- Quote from: Rasins on June 29, 2017, 05:46:22 PM ---Back to the OP ....
We have an example of another weapon killing an immortal.
Morgan took one out using a Nuclear explosion when he lured a Nagloshii to the test ground during the testing back in the 1940s
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Hurt it enough to knock it off his trail, but there's nothing to say it was able to get around the Immortal part and actually destroy the thing, he'd presumably be able to pull himself back together eventually, as described in CD. Several folks think Shaggy was that same Naaglosshi that was nursing an old grudge.
But if any mundane weapon can do it on it's own (ie absent Halloween or a special killing ground or something) A nuke should be it, per WOJ they are some damn disruptive things.
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--- Quote from: noquiexis on June 30, 2017, 02:35:01 PM --- By definition, "mortal" refers to a thing which has life, and that life will eventually end. Some species of insects only live for weeks. Some species of trees live for thousands of years.
By definition, "immortal" refers to a thing which has life, and that life will never end. An immortal being will not die and cannot be killed.
Human perspective might cause some to think that a being with very long life might be 'immortal', but that is an error. A reader's idea of "immortal" in the DresdenVerse may be based on that perspective. There are myths and legends of 'gods' who have been killed, but they had to have been mortal in the first place.
;) ;) ;)
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That might be true in normal worlds, but TDF has 4-5 different levels of Mortality, and some creatures fall into multiple categories (Like Wampires).
Mortal:
Vanilla Mortal - Not special, not a Wizard, Changeling etc.
Mortal - Have a Mortal Soul. This include Humans, Wizards, Wampires, Sasquach/yeti/tree and mountain folk, Half-Rampires, Changeling that have not yet Chosen, etc.
Immortal:
Functional Immortal - No Natural Life expectancy, Anything that eventually stops aging. Includes Wampires, Denarian Hosts, Rampires, most (all?) Fae, and most (all?) NN Spirits.
Mantled Immortals - Those creatures that, by possession of an Immortal Mantle, cannot be killed no matter how much damage they take, unless specific circumstances are met (IE conjuctions).
Cosmic Beings* - Truely Immortal Things that are unique (not a Mantle) which will not move to another host, but also cannot be truely Killed/ended. Suspected examples are Angels, Walkers, and the Sleepers.
*Cosmic beings may all have something akin to Mantles (maybe Grace) that
groinkick:
--- Quote from: noquiexis on June 30, 2017, 02:35:01 PM --- By definition, "mortal" refers to a thing which has life, and that life will eventually end. Some species of insects only live for weeks. Some species of trees live for thousands of years.
By definition, "immortal" refers to a thing which has life, and that life will never end. An immortal being will not die and cannot be killed.
Human perspective might cause some to think that a being with very long life might be 'immortal', but that is an error. A reader's idea of "immortal" in the DresdenVerse may be based on that perspective. There are myths and legends of 'gods' who have been killed, but they had to have been mortal in the first place.
;) ;) ;)
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In the Dresdenverse there are immortals, and Immortals. They don't fall under the dictionary definition. An immortal is someone like a vampire who doesn't die easily, and don't appear to age. Immortals are the real deal. They either cannot die, or only under very special circumstances like Halloween.
My guess is that immortal's are mostly alive (connected to the mortal realm), but have a connection the the Nevernever or spirit realm, while Immortals are even further away from the mortal plane (Earth).
kazimmoinuddin:
It is said immortals feed upon each other it think, so they would count as living weapons.
peregrine:
Immortals feed upon each other during special times, like Halloween, when they're more mutable. One can't necessarily do it any time they want.
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