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khadgar4606:

--- Quote from: Quantus on June 08, 2017, 06:23:54 PM ---Here's a WOJ on the Mantle thing in-universe that might help on the power scales involved:


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so if harry wants he can carve / tame winter mantle in to his personal mantle with any powers he wants to give to Chicago's robin
thanks for information guys time to brew some fanon

Quantus:

--- Quote from: khadgar4606 on June 08, 2017, 06:40:59 PM ---so if harry wants he can carve / tame winter mantle in to his personal mantle with any powers he wants to give to Chicago's robin
thanks for information guys time to brew some fanon

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Maaaaybe?  I think you are talking about first Emancipating the Winter Knight Mantle itself from the Winter Court, and then Making a new mantle from that? Those would be two separate steps/adventures but I dont see why that couldnt be made to work in a game, I suppose, thought the spinoff mantle would be exponentially weaker than the original, and the original would be diminished.

A couple things that, while not deal-breaking obstacles, will likely need to be considered:
-Is it typically Possible for a Mortal Mantle to be able to exist independent of the Immortal one that made it, or was this a special case?
-Is it possible for one Mortal mantle alone to Sponsor another, or would it require a supernatural "co-sponsor" (possibly relevant to the always available power source issue g33k mentioned)
-To what degree is the spinoff Mantle less powerful than the original?  Does it Vary?
-To what degree is the original Mantle less powerful than before?  Does it Vary?


From a cannon/mechanic baggage perspective, it might be far simpler to describe it less as a new Knight Mantle carved from an old one, but rather describe it as some sort of magical umbilical conduit from Harry to 'Robin', so they can tap the existing Mantle's Power (and possibly the Winter source behind it) without altering it in any fundamental way.  That way you side-step the entire issue surrounding the definition and mechanics of Mantles, as well as the impact and/or permanence it would have on Harry's original Power;  it's now just normal Magic. If it were me I think Id go with a pair of Magic Tattoos that provide a link since per WOJ such spells are subject to the bearers emotional state (like Susan's tattoos) which is useful Heroic scene fodder, allowing for situational bursts of Power.  You'll want to decide early how to handle the conduit in terms of barriers like Circles, Ways, and open/running water, etc. 

g33k:

--- Quote from: khadgar4606 on June 08, 2017, 06:40:59 PM ---so if harry wants he can carve / tame winter mantle in to his personal mantle with any powers he wants to give to Chicago's robin
thanks for information guys time to brew some fanon

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I don't think the WK mantle is amenable to this.  YMMV, of course, but I suspect this is wildly non-canonical.

*MAB* is in charge of the WK mantle; she will notice any tampering (and doubly so the Mothers!).  She's prone to sentence people to a lifetime of torture for the crime of no longer being useful to her...  And any effort Harry made to "emancipate" the Mantle would draw her extreme & immediate ire.

Recall that in Summer Knight, Summer & Winter were going to war -- apocalyptic, world-changing war -- in large part because one Court had a Knight with an active Mantle, and the other Court did not...

khadgar4606:
okay guys i know breaking winter mantle is ballsy harry like move but bastard technically did same on lashciel and turn it to self sacrificing angel named lash so its possibility to harry to screw fate and create uther peaceful version of the winter mantle to fuel mantle of dresden while forcing fey queens to pay the cost instead of him but again my question is can wizard with sufficent power create a mantle of power and looks like they can as all forum agrees this answer so can any one homebrew the rules for it?

Anubissama:
I think Dresden is a bit of a special Knight, in the fact that he bargained for his position of Knight.

I think there is even a WoJ that speaks to it. When asked if Harry like Molly has a Winter Knight Account with 7 zeros lying around, Jim says no. Because Harry gets paid in power, he gets the power of the Winter Knight Mantle and for that, he is a consultant to Mab, where his word iirc.

I'm not saying that this makes it a sure thing, but I get the feeling that Dresden is in a unique position in regards to other Winter Knights that he might have a bigger ownership over the Mantle since it is his payment so to speak.

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