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What is a Saint? (Series Spoilers)
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--- Quote from: Rasins on June 20, 2017, 07:44:03 PM ---And I never said any of those three were saints.
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No, but my point is that so far there has been nothing to indicate that TWG needs it's agents to be the sort of active, dedicated, and/or traditional Believers the way you describe, since none of the examples we DO have of the TWG investing Power in a mortal seem to require it (either via Swords or Soulfire or elsewise). What you are describing is a wholly new mechanic. Which is certainly possible, but not something Im willing to accept as a given.
Rasins:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 20, 2017, 07:47:39 PM ---No, but my point is that so far there has been nothing to indicate that TWG needs it's agents to be the sort of active, dedicated, and/or traditional Believers the way you describe, since none of the examples we DO have of the TWG investing Power in a mortal seem to require it (either via Swords or Soulfire or elsewise). What you are describing is a wholly new mechanic. Which is certainly possible, but not something Im willing to accept as a given.
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Yet we are trying to apply a label that already has a meaning to something that may or may not be the same.
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--- Quote from: Rasins on June 20, 2017, 07:52:12 PM ---Yet we are trying to apply a label that already has a meaning to something that may or may not be the same.
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More that we are trying to define a label in the DV with as minimal as possible influence from otherwise unrelated sources.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 20, 2017, 08:05:20 PM ---More that we are trying to define a label in the DV with as minimal as possible influence from otherwise unrelated sources.
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Faith is a huge theme in the Dresden Series, down to the little girl in the first short story being called, "Faith." Harry has faith in his magic.. Michael's faith in the Almighty, one of the Holy Swords is the Latin form of faith.. Murphy since Changes tells Harry he doesn't have faith but she does..
--- Quote ---I think you are missing one component of saintliness. The belief in a power greater than yourself. In a God, or god. Yes, Harry has great faith in his magic, but he's not treating such belief as an act of faith. Where as the man (or woman) who is leading a group of people against a black court vampire has that faith. Much like Charity and Michael.
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Agreed, this is the point, it goes along with my quote from The Young Pope as to what makes a saint.. It all comes down to faith, even in the Dresdenverse.
Serack:
I saw this topic when checking the forums a bit ago and didn't delve into it mostly because any speculation I've got would delve into actual real world definitions of a saint which I'm not entirely comfortable with... Also, I've had a LOT going on lately and little keyboard access (I suck at typing things up on my phone).
I'd really like to join the conversation, but want to do it justice by reading all 6 pages.
I'll say now that
* I think it was mentioned in Death Masks that among Nickodemus' achievements he had killed several "Saints" separately from the Knights he'd killed and...
* I guess in the DF, what makes a capital S saint like Jim mentioned might have helped with the eradication of the Blampire Elders is that they wield Power. The question becomes what Power, which is something I'd want to discuss after reading everyone else's input.
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