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What is a Saint? (Series Spoilers)
Quantus:
--- Quote from: wyltok on June 19, 2017, 06:48:19 PM ---Harry didn't get an angel. He got a detective, instead. There were other deaths in Ghost Story (and other near-death moments), and only Forthill had his own escort loafing around where Dresden could see (this is where I would expect neurovore to jump in and point out that there's no reason to assume angels have to be visible to Dresden, and that this angel was possibly only visible because Mr. Sunshine wanted that conversation to happen).
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Why bother, when you did a great job all on your own? That pretty much covers it. 8)
Personally I think Harry actually is the most likely example we've seen so far, if we are to assume that Knights are something distinct from Saints. Think about it: He technically redeemed a chunk/ghost of a fallen Angel. That impressed an Archangel enough that said VP of Creation invested the Powers of Heaven in him, directly. Following this, Harry has had severl direct Conversations with that Archangel, two of which he initiated himself.
[Proven Personal Fortitude in the Face of Evil/Temptation] + [Granted Powers of Heaven] + [Direct intercession with Creatures of Divinity] = Saint?
Rasins:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 19, 2017, 08:04:41 PM ---Why bother, when you did a great job all on your own? That pretty much covers it. 8)
Personally I think Harry actually is the most likely example we've seen so far, if we are to assume that Knights are something distinct from Saints. Think about it: He technically redeemed a chunk/ghost of a fallen Angel. That impressed an Archangel enough that said VP of Creation invested the Powers of Heaven in him, directly. Following this, Harry has had severl direct Conversations with that Archangel, two of which he initiated himself.
[Proven Personal Fortitude in the Face of Evil/Temptation] + [Granted Powers of Heaven] + [Direct intercession with Creatures of Divinity] = Saint?
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I think you are missing one component of saintliness. The belief in a power greater than yourself. In a God, or god. Yes, Harry has great faith in his magic, but he's not treating such belief as an act of faith. Where as the man (or woman) who is leading a group of people against a black court vampire has that faith. Much like Charity and Michael.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Rasins on June 20, 2017, 06:59:14 PM ---I think you are missing one component of saintliness. The belief in a power greater than yourself. In a God, or god. Yes, Harry has great faith in his magic, but he's not treating such belief as an act of faith. Where as the man (or woman) who is leading a group of people against a black court vampire has that faith. Much like Charity and Michael.
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To quote a line from "The Young Pope," paraphrasing now, "That's what saints do, they are moved by a faith that is so solid, that they believe in God, in the power of God, before they believe in the power of human begins."
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Rasins on June 20, 2017, 06:59:14 PM ---I think you are missing one component of saintliness. The belief in a power greater than yourself. In a God, or god. Yes, Harry has great faith in his magic, but he's not treating such belief as an act of faith. Where as the man (or woman) who is leading a group of people against a black court vampire has that faith. Much like Charity and Michael.
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Not missing it actually, Im actively discounting it. If we can have a Knight of Elvis, a Jedi Knight, and a Knight of the "...Somethings that might be benevolent?", I dont think you actually have to believe in TWG for him to Believe in you.
Rasins:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 20, 2017, 07:41:21 PM ---Not missing it actually, Im actively discounting it. If we can have a Knight of Elvis, a Jedi Knight, and a Knight of the "...Somethings that might be benevolent?", I dont think you actually have to believe in TWG for him to Believe in you.
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And I never said any of those three were saints.
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