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What is a Saint? (Series Spoilers)
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--- Quote from: Mira on June 16, 2017, 03:14:45 PM ---I agree with most of this, however I doubt it would be risked even with someone whom Uriel or any archangel had absolute trust in unless the need for it was extreme.. Which begs the question of whether Mab, Marcone, Hades, and even Nic were being manipulated by a higher power so that the relics could be retrieved by Harry?
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--- Quote from: wyltok on June 16, 2017, 04:05:42 PM ---I wouldn't say manipulated, when it comes to Mab and Hades, or even Nic. The WoJ below suggests pretty strongly to me that they all know the BAT is coming, and all the big players are doing high risk, high reward plans precisely because they know they will be needing things like the Relics and the faithsaber in the (from their perspective) very near future.
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I find myself agreeing with both of these sentiments...I think the line between Encouraged and Manipulated gets fuzzy for several reasons, you can never be really sure whats coincidence or not, and have to take it on Faith (see what I did there?) that it doesnt cross the Free Will line. Not to mention that Mab and Tinfoil hats go together like Tanks and Hula Dancers. 8)
Aegnoralkarin:
I'd like to butt in at this point and say this - why is the assumption that a Saint can only be a worshipper of the Abrahamic Almighty? There could well be a Horus worshipping saint, or (tickles my fancy, this one) a mercenary who doubles as a saint because he's the purest of Odin worshippers.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Aegnoralkarin on June 17, 2017, 03:46:52 AM ---I'd like to butt in at this point and say this - why is the assumption that a Saint can only be a worshipper of the Abrahamic Almighty? There could well be a Horus worshipping saint, or (tickles my fancy, this one) a mercenary who doubles as a saint because he's the purest of Odin worshippers.
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I wouldn't disagree with this because there are "saints" in all religions and some who don't believe in anything..
ClintACK:
--- Quote from: Aegnoralkarin on June 17, 2017, 03:46:52 AM ---I'd like to butt in at this point and say this - why is the assumption that a Saint can only be a worshipper of the Abrahamic Almighty? There could well be a Horus worshipping saint, or (tickles my fancy, this one) a mercenary who doubles as a saint because he's the purest of Odin worshippers.
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The DV is definitely a universe in which Taoist saints and bodhisattvas and Hindu avatars and Catholic saints and Norse gods and vodoun loa can meet up at a cocktail party thrown by Anansi and the Monkey King. (No idea if I got all the capitalizations right in that sentence.)
But different faiths definitely have different ideas of what a "holy man" looks like!
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--- Quote from: Mira on June 17, 2017, 12:50:35 PM ---I wouldn't disagree with this because there are "saints" in all religions and some who don't believe in anything..
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Are there any, specifically? I fully expect there to be some sort of empowered "Holy Man" in most if not all religions, but I cannot actually think of any specifically comparable to Saint (who is more an empowered champion than simply a Holy Man). My first thought was possibly a Buddha (as in the title) but that is a far more Internalized ascension, whereas my understanding of a Saint is fairly specifically Empowered by their deity.
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