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How Harry would do the Dark Hallow in Changes wag
Mira:
--- Quote from: Quantus on July 19, 2017, 06:50:37 PM ---Indeed, which I believe is exactly what was happening. They told harry that “You are the leader of the Hunt. What you wright with your power will grace each of us." and then just after that Harry was able to shake the Psychic Attack of a Walker which freed them all from it at the same time, after which the Erlking gave him credit by shouting “Well-done, starborn!” Which I take to indicate that Starborn is the same "outsider power" Lash was talking about, and that the hunt could not safety Face off against an Outsider without a Starborn in Charge of the hunt and thus sharing the aegis of his protection. Potential protection I should say, as it was not easy or automatic.
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I am wondering if appearances are just a bit deceiving and can be unclear.. Given what was told to Harry by Kringle in Cold Days pages 505-506
--- Quote ---" The whole Winter Knight thing," I said. "It's made me stronger." "True enough," he said. "But not that much stronger," I said. "The Erlking could have gotten out of the way of that shot." "Really?" "You meant for me to have the Wild Hunt." "No one can be given a power like the Wild Hunt, Dresden," Kringle said. "He can only take it." "Really?" I said, as drily as I knew how.
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Then Kringle goes on to say..
--- Quote ---That got a laugh from Kringle. "You have guts and will, mortal. It had to be shown, or the Hunt would never have accepted you." "Maybe I'll just punch you out whenever I feel like it then," I said. "Maybe you'll try," Kringle replied amiably. He looked out at the lightening sky and let out a satisfied breath. "It was Halloween, Dresden. You put on a mask for a time. That's all." He looked directly at me and said, "Many mantles are worn--or discarded---on Halloween night, wizard.
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So I take all of the above to mean that the ducks had to be exactly in the right row, and on Halloween for Harry to take over. So just because Harry was able to take over the Hunt that once, doesn't mean he can do it anytime he wants to.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 23, 2017, 03:31:04 PM ---I am wondering if appearances are just a bit deceiving and can be unclear.. Given what was told to Harry by Kringle in Cold Days pages 505-506
Then Kringle goes on to say..So I take all of the above to mean that the ducks had to be exactly in the right row, and on Halloween for Harry to take over. So just because Harry was able to take over the Hunt that once, doesn't mean he can do it anytime he wants to.
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I just took all that to mean that /the Hunt/ (which seems to be at least quasi-sentient, not unlike the Lady Mantles) requires that a new leader defeat an old, or otherwise Prove his or her Strength. The fact that both Erl and Kringle threw the fight to enure that Harry accomplished it for their own ends (ie an Outsider Hunt) might not factor into it. Both Erl and Kringle (and others per WOJ, the actual Odin being another historic example) can call up the Hunt more or less whenever they choose (dont know if it requires certain days or something additional), so theoretically he might now qualify, since despite the thrown fight the Hunt accepted him as a Leader.
At least, that's the theory
Rasins:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 23, 2017, 03:31:04 PM ---I am wondering if appearances are just a bit deceiving and can be unclear.. Given what was told to Harry by Kringle in Cold Days pages 505-506
Then Kringle goes on to say..So I take all of the above to mean that the ducks had to be exactly in the right row, and on Halloween for Harry to take over. So just because Harry was able to take over the Hunt that once, doesn't mean he can do it anytime he wants to.
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I agree with this. However, I think that because he led it once, he can again. It may take the EK to raise the hunt, but once it's raised, Harry can probably take it over, like Kringle.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Rasins on July 25, 2017, 05:57:24 PM ---I agree with this. However, I think that because he led it once, he can again. It may take the EK to raise the hunt, but once it's raised, Harry can probably take it over, like Kringle.
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The Erlking isnt the only one that can summon the Hunt, Kringle can do it alone, as can any number of others (See WOj below).
I think it's more the opposite, that Harry can summon it himself by virtue of having Led it once, but He'd never stand the chance to taking it from either Erl or Kringle unless they wanted him to do so, and they could take it from him basically any time they wanted.
--- Quote from: jimbutcher on September 19, 2006, 12:43:12 AM ---
--- Quote from: Mickey Finn on August 03, 2006, 03:33:34 PM ---The ErlKing* (aka Herne the Hunter or Cern, the Celtic Horned God) and the Wild Hunt are part of the celtic isle mythology...the point IS the hunt. People are the foxes. (The Erlking in actual mythology is a german baddie that Jim apparently appropriated for Herne.)
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Actually, in the Dresden universe, the Wild Hunt can be led by a number of beings--INCLUDING Cern, but not exclusive to him. :) The Erlking (who isn't Cern) is a being of Faerie who is in Mab's weight division, if not her equal. I believe he is identified as the ruler of the goblins--which should not necessarily be equated with Tolkeinesque/Gygaxesque goblins. :)
Jim
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Rasins:
So, you gotta wonder, is the Erlking PART of the Wild hunt? So, if Harry did call up the hunt, would the EK automagically come with it?
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