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Zaphodess:
Jim has already answered those questions.
(click to show/hide)Is The Erlking a mantle in the same way as the other Fae titles? I know he's referred to as Herne at one point in Cold Days, so that got me thinking, considering that he's also iirc the Summer King.
There is no such thing as a Summer King in the Dresden Files faerie cosmology. Mab and Titania need a King like a fish needs a bicycle. :)
There are a ton of independent rulers of the Wyld, though, much like the Erlking, who is a member of the Winter Court more or less as a sign of courtesy and respect. They will occasionally make alliances (and dalliances) with the great rulers of the Sidhe. (click to show/hide)5. cowl with darkhallow - really? just a bunch of spirits...
If he'd succeeded, he'd have had the collective power of all of those supernatural beings and then some. He'd have been clearly stronger than the Ladies, and a full-on equal to Mab. I mean, why do you think the Erlking was summoned as part of that ritual? Because that's how the big E got so boss in the first place. :)
For that matter, how do you think the Mothers and Queens and Ladies established their original base of power? That big old sacrificial, power-sucking stone table in Tir na noth isn't there for its primitive decorative aesthetic.
Bakoro:
--- Quote from: Zaphodess on July 17, 2017, 11:16:09 AM ---Jim has already answered those questions.1
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Neither of those address the questions at hand explicitly enough, apparently. [i/]I[/i] feel like the issue is pretty clear, but it hasn't stopped literally
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of back and forth on the issue and it just keeps popping up.
He talks about how there's not really a king of summer/winter, but doesn't address the nature mantle of the Erlking specifically, he doesn't remark on whether it's a discrete thing in an of itself or if the Erlking is just a beefed up Sidhe.
I don't think that it is necessarily the same kind of thing, that it wouldn't just hop to another vessel.
In the second quote Jim starts at one place and ends at another. Like I said, I though the meaning was clear, but apparently it's not enough.
Someone just needs to ask "During the Darkhallow, would the Erlking have gotten sucked up and eaten along with all his power/mantle?" and "Do all mantle act like the Queens' mantle where they are independent things, that jump to a new vessel when the old one dies?".
Zaphodess:
--- Quote from: Bakoro on July 17, 2017, 12:42:22 PM ---Someone just needs to ask "During the Darkhallow, would the Erlking have gotten sucked up and eaten along with all his power/mantle?" and "Do all mantle act like the Queens' mantle where they are independent things, that jump to a new vessel when the old one dies?".
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Maybe, though I think people waste those opportunities by asking stuff he's already talked about and answered several times. There's hardly anything new in the latest interviews. I sometimes wish I could go there but it'd be an intercontinental flight for me. >:(
Imho, the second quote answers it clear as crystal: The Erlking was summoned to be eaten for his power.
Rasins:
Whenever I go to see Jim, my first question(s) is/are these kinds of things.
After which, if there's a lull, I'll ask a leading question like how he came up with writing Codex Alera, or Storm Front.
But I agree, most ask what's already been asked.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Zaphodess on July 17, 2017, 01:21:40 PM ---Imho, the second quote answers it clear as crystal: The Erlking was summoned to be eaten for his power.
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Still have to entirely disagree with your read: all it says in that quote is that he was summoned to increase the total yield of the Darkhallow, and DB itself says that the mechanism by which he does that is his ability to summon harder-to-reach ghosts via his ability to conjure up the Wild Hunt. Assuming he or his mantle was in direct danger still seems to contradict all his statements and/or actions during the story.
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