The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
If Hades shows up for Peace Talks in Chicago
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Quantus on May 11, 2017, 07:34:57 PM ---Oh, ok, because I definitely thought we were talking about the actual fallen in Coins and whether they could escape DR themselves. Are you saying you credit the continued "Circulation" of the Coins to Lucy? Or do you think he has a coin of his own?
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Yeah, I think Lucy helps keep them out there. Well maybe I dunno. Jim suggested the Coins can reach out, and influence people into releasing them. Perhaps it would be similar to when Lasciel was in Harry's head, giving him a suggestion he wasn't able to ignore.
Na Lucy isn't in a Coin, they are prisons he put the other Fallen in.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: groinkick on May 11, 2017, 07:39:52 PM ---Yeah, I think Lucy helps keep them out there. Well maybe I dunno. Jim suggested the Coins can reach out, and influence people into releasing them. Perhaps it would be similar to when Lasciel was in Harry's head, giving him a suggestion he wasn't able to ignore.
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You know, I dunno. I always attributed it to a more impersonal Balancing Force of the Universe, though in retrospect I was probably actually just giving TWG credit. But if the answer is "God is doing it" then logically an equally valid answer should be "God's Adversary is doing it".
kazimmoinuddin:
While I don't doubt the coins can influence others and the world around them, I am betting the whole meant to be in circulation must have been bolstered and inflated by nicodemus efforts.
The thing is while they are fallen, the denarians can be counted. We know they can be messed with using soulfire, and they seemed vulnerable in the presence of sword of the cross. Also, I wonder if they might have a similar vulnerability on demonreach, due to the fact they were slain there and it's protections are at least able to interfere with some abilities of the fallen.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: kazimmoinuddin on May 12, 2017, 12:33:41 AM ---While I don't doubt the coins can influence others and the world around them, I am betting the whole meant to be in circulation must have been bolstered and inflated by nicodemus efforts.
The thing is while they are fallen, the denarians can be counted. We know they can be messed with using soulfire, and they seemed vulnerable in the presence of sword of the cross. Also, I wonder if they might have a similar vulnerability on demonreach, due to the fact they were slain there and it's protections are at least able to interfere with some abilities of the fallen.
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fwiw, Anduriel (specifically, not jsut Nic) seems far more afraid of /Mouse/ than anything. His reactions to Mouse have always been unusually severe
groinkick:
--- Quote from: kazimmoinuddin on May 12, 2017, 12:33:41 AM ---We know they can be messed with using soulfire, and they seemed vulnerable in the presence of sword of the cross. Also, I wonder if they might have a similar vulnerability on demonreach, due to the fact they were slain there and it's protections are at least able to interfere with some abilities of the fallen.
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The Fallen don't have vulnerabilities as much as their hosts do. Kincaid killed them with bullets. They can be killed in traditional ways. The Coin on the other hand hasn't shown a way to even be destroyed, or locked away for an extended period of time.
For me it really comes down to what Jim has said. When he said "they are supposed to be in circulation" with regards to them being locked away. So if I had never heard Jim say that I'd agree that Demon Reach, or Hades should be effective at locking them away. But the author controls what happens and it seems that the Coins cannot be locked away, not for too long.
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