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When Winter took over at the Outer Gates [Spoilers all, including the DFARPG]
Con:
I think Hastings was to specific a reference point for it not to be the date of significance
Wizardofnelson:
Little side chatter about where the sidhe came from, considering putting it with a few other things to try to have a proposed 'history' of the guard and gates, in so much as we know vs what we can guess at with help. But not sure how to organize...
Druids.... They couldn't effect fate(read:freedom of will) but they could conjure the elements and all kinds of fun magical stuff. Anyway
--- Quote from: the world almanac, book of the strange ---At a time of the Roman conquests of Gaul and Britain the Druids were flourishing as the only unifying institution of the Celts... The Druids were largely suppressed, except in Ireland, which the Romans never conquered
The Druidic practice of human sacrifice may also have encouraged the Romans to suppress the cult... The word Druid is probably related to the Celtic word for oak tree-daur. The oak was in fact sacred to the Druids, as was the mistletoe... Druidic tradition was in par preserved in irish epic for some centuries after its christianization of Ireland and faint echoes in Welsh folklore.
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ok so, the Romans moved on them and suppressed the 'magic folk' but started their own studies into magic at the same time, thereby potentially changing the main traditions of magic used by most practitioners thereafter. But ireland, where Jim has drawn on more directly for Mehb and what not, also the sidhe, literally, people of the mounds originate thereafter in Irish legend. I might reedit some of this later, I don't know right now, cutting it very short here though.
vultur:
--- Quote from: Con on January 09, 2017, 06:16:13 AM ---I thought Queen of Air and Darkness was a Morrigan thing?
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--- Quote from: rad on January 09, 2017, 03:08:51 AM ---A noble of Britain. If we go with Mab's title The Queen of Air and Darkness it means that she is originally Morgause from Arthurian myth. Her name changed through the years to Morgause but if you look back at various older stories you might just be able to find the original.
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I believe 'queen of air and darkness' is a rather modern term with no mythological source. T. H. White's "Queen of Air and Darkness" is Morgause, yes. (He got the phrase from an A. E. Housman poem but it's not clear who it refers to there.)
I don't think there is any connection between Morgause and the Morrigan, or Morgan le Fay, despite all starting with "Mor". The names aren't actually related.
Mith:
There is potentially some connection due to similar language structure behind the names, but they are not connected in terms of a common mythological source.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Mith on January 18, 2017, 03:16:50 PM ---There is potentially some connection due to similar language structure behind the names, but they are not connected in terms of a common mythological source.
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You may be right in a historic sense, though that whole region is enough of a melting pot that it's hard to say anything for certain about sources, for example there are theories about common mythological roots for Zeus and Odin. That being said, there is a trend toward amalgamation of mythological characters especially in the higher power levels, so I would not at all be surprised to find the DV versions have a more compact circle of character, once we eventually get the reveal one what went down surrounding Arthur.
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