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When Winter took over at the Outer Gates [Spoilers all, including the DFARPG]
Lawgiver:
--- Quote from: Quantus on December 21, 2016, 01:38:23 PM ---Im still lost...What Time? What Waiting? I thought we were talking about either they (Hecate, etc) consolidating power and Creating the two Maiden/Mother/Crone sets fresh right then, or else giving the consolidated Power a pre-existing, far less powerful "Summer" and "Winter" wyldfae Courts with a freshly minted new Purpose. Im not seeing any circumstance where waiting would even be possible.
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Never mind.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Lawgiver on December 21, 2016, 01:42:23 PM ---Never mind.
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I think the assumption Im making that is causing the disconnect is that when Hecate &Co combined Power to create the Modern courts, the Guardianship itself was part of that mix of Power that got move/reformed. I dont think you could have that tier of Power without it's Purpose going right along with it; they'd be two parts of the same ball of wax Yarn (ill go with "Ball of Yarn" since the moirai are in there). So, by that assumption at least, there'd be no way for them to become Empowered to current levels without immediately taking up the Guardianship. Does that make sense?
Lawgiver:
--- Quote from: Quantus on December 21, 2016, 01:46:17 PM --- I think the assumption Im making that is causing the disconnect is that when Hecate &Co combined Power to create the Modern courts, the Guardianship itself was part of that mix of Power that got move/reformed. I dont think you could have that tier of Power without it's Purpose going right along with it; they'd be two parts of the same ball of wax Yarn (ill go with "Ball of Yarn" since the moirai are in there). So, by that assumption at least, there'd be no way for them to become Empowered to current levels without immediately taking up the Guardianship. Does that make sense?
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Follow mostly what I've been trying to get across... that the Powers that made up the Sidhe royalty wouldn't have just stood around doing nothing once they were "created". Combine that with current Mab having been Lady and it shows those Powers were in place before Mab ascended to Queen, and thus were already Guardians prior to Hastings - how much prior we can only guess. The assumption made in the op that Mab's ascension to Queen and the Fae ascension to Guardianship do not have to match, in fact may not be able to match because of the above.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Lawgiver on December 21, 2016, 01:52:23 PM ---Follow mostly what I've been trying to get across... that the Powers that made up the Sidhe royalty wouldn't have just stood around doing nothing once they were "created". Combine that with current Mab having been Lady and it shows those Powers were in place before Mab ascended to Queen, and thus were already Guardians prior to Hastings - how much prior we can only guess. The assumption made in the op that Mab's ascension to Queen and the Fae ascension to Guardianship do not have to match, in fact may not be able to match because of the above.
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Ok, Im back on track now, sorry for the derail. I agree with your first sentence. It's the second that I see as unconfirmed at this point, based on the idea that a much weaker version of the Winter Court might have existed prior to their ascendance to Guardianship, meaning that Mab could have potentially been a Lady with a Queen above her once upon a time, and still be the first Queen to be in charge of the Gates. It would mean that the previous queen was far weaker than the current Mab, and that Mab was the Lady of a much weaker Wyldfae court with a coincidentally Winter theme.
That being said, I tend to agree that what you describe is the most likely case.
Though for the sake of argument, it is possible that the reign of her predecessor was extremely short-lived with a Starborn around and that Mab moved up fairly quickly. In other words Mab could be the second Queen Guardian and the Ascension might have still happened in the same general Hastings timeframe.
Serack:
Too meaty a conversation for me to join on my phone. I'll have to set up my laptop now that I'm down in FL visiting for the holidays.
Also, hi foxed! Good to see you
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