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When Winter took over at the Outer Gates [Spoilers all, including the DFARPG]
Mith:
The problem with the idea of Titania being Demeter is that the "abduction" of Persephone is well before Hastings for that to personal.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: Mith on December 18, 2016, 10:04:02 PM ---The problem with the idea of Titania being Demeter is that the "abduction" of Persephone is well before Hastings for that to personal.
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Depends on which Titania you're talking about. :)
We know from Harry that mantles play with the emotions and instincts of their vessels. It could very well still be personal for the mantles involved even though vessels have changed.
Quantus:
Not sure it would strictly be nessesary, in that Hecate was already a Tripple-Goddess, and so might have already been a power shared across multiple hosts. I agree that they definitely seem to have consolidated Power into the one set (or rather two sets) of queens, but there would have already been a power of three sort of Base form in place without needing a One Greek Goddess per Queenly role to make it happen.
Quantus:
Regarding the OP:
I expect the wedge between Mab and Titania is at least partly Oberon's fault, rather than a purely political falling out. Imagine the poor sap, caught in a love triangle between twin sisters that just happen to also be demigod forces of nature.
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--- Quote ---Dudesan: You've described Santa Claus as being the Winter King. What does that title mean? Do Winter and Summer each have a trinity of Father/King/Prince, like they do with Mother/Queen/Lady? Is the King necessarily the consort of the Queen? If so, will we be seeing Oberon at some point?
Jim: 5) The Faerie realms just aren't that structured. It's more accurate to say that he is /a/ Winter King. Or even more accurately, that he is a free Wyld Fae who is of a power level that is on par with Mab's and happens to neighbor her sphere of influence, and finds it simpler to show up to family dinners during the holidays and make polite than to start staking out boundaries and establishing treaties.
Oberon... well, the guy kind of wound up between Mab and Titania in one of those romantic triangle things, back around Shakespeare's day. He didn't make it.
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I also suspect that it was not /just/ the Aesir that were previous Gate Guardian's. I think it's more likely that many if not all of the "human pantheons" of that general age (the Aesir/Vanir and the Grecoroman, probably the Egyptian and Hindu as well as others. My general idea is that it was the Dragons way back in the Day, then passed to the Human Pantheons (which is how Humanity usurped the balance of the world). It's been my general theory that as Humanity began expanding and globalizing their cultures to some extent (as well as other factors) the pantheons that held Power (and who's will could sway Fate) began to decline in Power, they decided to transfer the Power and Responsibility of the Wall to beings that had more direct and physical connections to the Mortal World. So they gathered up every Nature spirit they could beg, bargain, or con into it and made the two Fae Courts. The idea is that while Faith in a given religion or Pnatheon might wax and wane, Humanity will always believe in and respect Nature's Power and existence (Industrial Age notwithstanding) and so it would be insulated from some of the variances in Faith that might have plagued pantheons.
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--- Quote ---6. ferrovax - is this because he's the OLDEST dragon? (i thought it was an empty boast) or because he's a dragon?
Ferrovax feels absolutely no need to boast. It's because he /is/ a Dragon, large D, an elemental force of the cosmos. He isn't some kind of Smaug hanging around a nice apartment. He's a Dragon in a more Asian sense of the concept, a semi-divine being who was once given authority over various portions of the mortal universe, and who was responsible for their orderly procession. There /are/ Smauglike dragons (though not nearly as many now as there have been in the past, thanks George!) but they are essentially nothing but emissaries and servitors created in the image of the real thing.
Regardless of big D or little d, dragons almost universally resent humanity for usurping the balance of power in the world.
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PS. Side question: Who was Gatekeeper before Rashid? What are the Gates made out of?? You cant tease me like that!
CloakedDestiny:
How can it be partly Oberon's fault if they haven't spoken since Hastings? Shakespeare is centuries after that. I was wondering about that point too--specifically---they had a love triangle when neither of them were communicating with each other at all!
The former gatekeeper was the father of the author of Dante's Divine Comedy--Alighiero di Bellincione, as revealed in the most recent RPG book.
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