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Quantus:
--- Quote from: Dina on October 25, 2016, 06:27:12 PM ---You don't think so? I thought we were supposed to admire her. The book has such amazing women than she seems like a charicature and nothing else.
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No, I think we are just supposed to mistrust her but come just short of actively hating her; she has just barely enough humanity left to not be a total villain, and the fact that Grimm married her once upon a time hints that she has /some/ redeeming qualities.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: Quantus on October 25, 2016, 06:30:54 PM ---No, I think we are just supposed to mistrust her but come just short of actively hating her; she has just barely enough humanity left to not be a total villain, and the fact that Grimm married her once upon a time hints that she has /some/ redeeming qualities.
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Yeah, I predict her stepping into the "respected enemy" role that Jim is fond of. An ally, but not a friend. It's in the same vein that Marcone is to Harry or Varg is to Tavi. At the end of the day, she's going to be against Cavendish.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on October 25, 2016, 07:38:38 PM ---Yeah, I predict her stepping into the "respected enemy" role that Jim is fond of. An ally, but not a friend. It's in the same vein that Marcone is to Harry or Varg is to Tavi. At the end of the day, she's going to be against Cavendish.
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Im not even sure she'll reach that level. I mean, one thing all those Respected Enemies have in common is that they are good to their word, which makes the solid foundation that the rest gets built on. Ransom doesnt really have that right now, the main thing for her presently is that he can trust anything she says or does. No, if I had to make a prediction on her Fate, Id say she's got redeeming self-sacrifice in her future, contributing to the emotional baggage Grimm has to carry.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: Quantus on October 25, 2016, 07:50:31 PM ---Im not even sure she'll reach that level. I mean, one thing all those Respected Enemies have in common is that they are good to their word, which makes the solid foundation that the rest gets built on. Ransom doesnt really have that right now, the main thing for her presently is that he can trust anything she says or does. No, if I had to make a prediction on her Fate, Id say she's got redeeming self-sacrifice in her future, contributing to the emotional baggage Grimm has to carry.
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I remember she cheated at the airship race, but isn't that the only major thing we've seen so far? I need to go back and do my own reread.
Grimm did something like hide the valuables when she came on board, but I don't know if I would consider that extreme enough for the reader to never be able to trust her actions.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on October 25, 2016, 07:56:23 PM ---I remember she cheated at the airship race, but isn't that the only major thing we've seen so far? I need to go back and do my own reread.
Grimm did something like hide the valuables when she came on board, but I don't know if I would consider that extreme enough for the reader to never be able to trust her actions.
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The whole exchange implied to me that there exists a bunch of reasons why Grimm and his crew would not trust his ex-wife. Then there was the bit about almost destroying the Predator during a sneak attack on his home nation. Im not saying the readers wont ever get to a point where they trust her, but I suspect that there is too much baggage between them for Grimm to ever fully trust her, and that such doubt would stand in the way of her becoming a Varg or Marcone style Trusted Enemy character. If we have to compare her to existing JB characters, she's the Elaine of the story, in my mind. The one that you just cant be sure which side they're on.
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