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Sibelis:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on March 24, 2016, 12:26:59 AM ---Seems likely that it was simple rather than complicated. Black cloaks seems to sinister, but white cloaks are both pretentious and bad camouflage. Other colors might be mistaken for house colors back in yesteryear. Practically speaking, gray is unnoticeable, unassuming, and easy to produce without much fading.
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then why apply any significance to it?
--- Quote ---[Quote from: Someday on April 08, 2009, 06:20:37 AM]
I wonder if it's coincidence that a warden's cloak is grey.
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:)
Jim[/quote]
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Sibelis on March 24, 2016, 12:34:07 AM ---then why apply any significance to it?
:)
Jim
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I'm not really seeing the significance to his response. Was there any more context to the original comment?
Sibelis:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on March 24, 2016, 01:12:07 AM ---I'm not really seeing the significance to his response. Was there any more context to the original comment?
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more or less,
--- Quote ---Quote from: jtaylor on April 08, 2009, 05:26:26 AM
First off: the Headaches. I don't think they are a sign of someone mucking around with Harry's head, I think it is a sign of him healing. Harry suffered a great deal of brain damage when Lash burned herself out in White Knight. I think the headaches are a sign of him repairing that damage with his ultra slow regeneration factor.
I agree that with Mouse around I don't see anyone messing with Harry's head. If Mouse reacted the way he did to Molly in this book, no one is getting to Harry while he's around. Headaches as a sign of healing make more sense than the other theories I've read or come up with. Of course, that healing would be set back with the new bumps on his head (big enough to knock a hat off! ouch).
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I was thinking that LTW's adamant commitment to sacrificing one for the good of all was a mind plant from Peabody. Granted, there is evidence that LTW would already be disposed to this position and it seemed that the old guard could not be bent against their own grain even with the aid of the ink. But Peabody would have wanted Morgan (or Luccio--but somebody!) to take the fall ASAP in order to avoid a protracted investigation that might have turned up evidence against the BC (as Harry's did). We saw Peabody in private conversation with LTW while signing paperwork during the investigation. I'm not sure LTW would have been so adamantly committed to that course of action without Peabody.
....On a different note, I thought the conversation about doing necessary things even when they weren't the right things parallelled many of Harry's own former decisions but on a grander more political stage. Sometimes you have to do what's necessary instead of what's right. Harry's done it (e.g. tyrano-Sue). Now he's "growing up" and realizing that politics is based upon doing what's necessary.
The whole series revolves around questions of grey. Most of the grey conversations have involved personal decisions, ethics, morality, etc. and mostly in the area of magic. Personal decisions are always easier to make than political ones. Now the conversation itself has expanded to politics. If politics isn't a grey area, I don't know what is. I liked the discussion about Maggie's "crazy" ideas of justice which sound appealing until Luccio starts to explore the hidden consequences.
I think this will be a fulcrum point for Harry's own growth. We saw him continue to base most of his decisions in TC on "what is right" rather than what is convenient (and when is necessity really just another name for convenience?). Giving up Morgan, even with his backup plan in place, was a gamble and ultimately was based on "what was believed to be necessary". I think we'll see more of this in the following books as Jim explores the grey.
I hope Jim continues to draw out the complexities on both sides. I mean, part of what makes the White Council weak is the fact that it doesn't seem to care at all about justice (or right), just necessity. I understand Luccio's points about those with power not being able to always follow the path of justice but when politics is only a matter of economic calculation w/o concern for justice then it loses its moral weight and people naturally rebel like Harry and Elaine did (though in different ways). I just hope Jim continues to explore the complexities without offering an (over-)simplified solution which would (of necessity!) be really lame.
I wonder if it's coincidence that a warden's cloak is grey.
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i just see something about the grey compared to how they use their magic, cloaked by their reasons for doing so... Really makes them the grey wardens... But compared to the warden singular the issue seems... Different, or maybe just more? Besides actually.... Uhh Brain fart on my own question, the warden is grey because in order to do his job he actually must violate the law concerning dominating a being through its name.... Mmm?
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Sibelis on March 24, 2016, 01:43:40 AM ---more or less,
i just see something about the grey compared to how they use their magic, cloaked by their reasons for doing so... Really makes them the grey wardens... But compared to the warden singular the issue seems... Different, or maybe just more? Besides actually.... Uhh Brain fart on my own question, the warden is grey because in order to do his job he actually must violate the law concerning dominating a being through its name.... Mmm?
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Maybe. I just don't see a deeper meaning or association with it in-universe. While their moral ambiguity makes a good reason for JB to make their cloaks gray, I don't think in-universe they would select that color for that reason.
Krusatta:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on March 24, 2016, 12:26:59 AM ---Seems likely that it was simple rather than complicated. Black cloaks seems to sinister, but white cloaks are both pretentious and bad camouflage. Other colors might be mistaken for house colors back in yesteryear. Practically speaking, gray is unnoticeable, unassuming, and easy to produce without much fading.
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If you turn this around, then the grey cloak becomes significant because of who is wearing it. Not because it is a grey cloak. As an example, the career field I served in while in the military wears a scarlet beret. It is recognizable and significant because of who is wearing it, not because it's a bright red hat.
To use a more extreme example, the swastika is a Sanskrit symbol meaning "lucky or auspicious". But what do you actually think of first when you see one? (Yes, it fits neatly that the Nazi Wehrmacht typically wore grey. Thank you.)
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