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Thoughts about "Iron Rot"
Quantus:
--- Quote from: punkinholler on October 16, 2015, 12:38:59 AM ---It seems pretty clear that iron rusts faster in the Cinder Spires world than it does here, which is kind of interesting. There are a number of things that can affect corrosion rates but a lot of them are not compatible with human life. As far as I can tell there are only three things that could make iron rust faster in an environment suitable for humans: 1) there are a lot of salt particulates in the air (like when you're at the beach). This seems unlikely since salt doesn't stay in air very easily and tends to either fall out directly or get rained out. There would need to be some constant and omnipresent source spitting salt into the atmosphere all over the world (oceans couldn't do it for obvious reasons) which just makes no sense. 2) There is a higher concentration of oxygen on that world than on Earth. This is possible within a certain range and it surely would make the danger of fire a lot scarier. 3) Whatever planet they are on has an insanely strong electromagnetic field. Running an electrical current through iron will absolutely corrode it more quickly and a crazy strong planetary EM field would be consistent with all the "etheric energy" stuff. On the other hand, strong EM fields supposedly have a few negative effects on people, but one would assume the humans in that world evolved to handle it or they wouldn't be there. Personally, I think #3 is the best explanation, maybe with a side order of #2 for good measure. What do ya'll think? Also, does anyone know if there's a WoJ on this (I haven't read any of the tidbits he's mentioned in interviews etc.)?
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There are a couple possibilities you are missing, or at least tweaks to these. Regarding #1 there are a huge number of chemicals that could reasonably rot iron that could easily be part of The Mists (which are not analogous to earthbound atmosphere by it's description). #2 is likely not the case, they mention how high they can fly without tanks and say that 7 or 8 miles is "way higher" than they can reach, which afaict is comparable to earth. #3 it doesnt have to be insanely powerful, not when there is an entirely NEW energy that is tied to it (ei Ether). I get the impression that Etheric energy is new Third energy, like electricity and magnetism, that is fundamentally related but distinct in behavior. Such a thing would play havoc with galvanic effects, so that's were my money is for the source of Iron Rot.
Rygar:
--- Quote from: Quantus on October 22, 2015, 09:52:33 PM ---#2 is likely not the case, they mention how high they can fly without tanks as being "way higher" than 7 or 8 miles, which afaict is comparable to earth.
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This is is backwards, actually.
--- Quote from: The Aeronaut's Windlass, Jim Butcher ---“What kind of altitude could she take us to, chief?” Journeyman scratched his ear with one broken-nailed finger. “Seven, maybe eight miles? Way higher’n we could breathe without tanks, anyway.
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Journeyman estimates they could fly up to seven or eight miles, which is far higher than they could breathe without tanks.
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--- Quote from: Rygar on October 23, 2015, 01:11:54 PM ---This is is backwards, actually.
Journeyman estimates they could fly up to seven or eight miles, which is far higher than they could breathe without tanks.
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dammit, i hate contradicting my own point via typo. You're right of course, and that's what I meant to say, I swear :-\
I have a habit of forgetting the "-n't" on a lot of contractions as well, end up saying the precise opposite of my intent.
Sully:
--- Quote from: KevinSig on October 16, 2015, 12:55:07 AM ---Remember, people no longer live on the surface, but in high altitudes where oxygen should be thinner. However, everyone seems to be relatively fine. So maybe, one of the reasons why people have left the surface, is because there's just too much of an abundance of oxygen down at the surface.
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I suppose this could make sense, but people do live on the surface, and they seem to be scared of the wildlife on the surface-not the atmosphere.
I don't see the height of the spires necessitating an abnormal atmosphere. If they're two miles high, not a big deal. Hell, 4 miles high should be habitable-you'll just run a bit slower, is all.
(though your cycling will be -much- faster...)
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--- Quote from: Sully on November 16, 2015, 12:49:39 AM ---I suppose this could make sense, but people do live on the surface, and they seem to be scared of the wildlife on the surface-not the atmosphere.
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Well, if one kills you in seconds while the other takes weeks*, I know which one Id worry about more.
Not a doctor so no clue what overexposure to O2 actually does or when, besides the rumored blindness.
--- Quote ---I don't see the height of the spires necessitating an abnormal atmosphere. If they're two miles high, not a big deal. Hell, 4 miles high should be habitable-you'll just run a bit slower, is all.
(though your cycling will be -much- faster...)
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It's not the height of the spire itself that is an issue. It's the mist itself, but also the crazy speed that the Iron will Rot out if the copper coating is breached. To drive that sort of oxidation reaction requires /something/ that is not present in our atmosphere. Top theories so far are atypical Oxygen levels, some other chemical presence in the Mists and otehr atmosphere levels, or some kind of ether-driven Galvanic reaction.
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