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Cinder Spires Airship Specs So Far
crusher_bob:
Next, on to more about how things look and work.
Would assume deploying the webbing is something similar to parachute spider use, since it doesn't seem to need to be directly manipulated by the sailors, just spun out of the ships web masts, or whatever they are called.
It sounds like ship will typically have 4 sets of webbing, which I'd guess are deployed in a + or X shape around the ship. Since it sounds like you don't tack or otherwise change the webbing to sail in different directions I guess it just provides motive power straight ahead, no need chance how the webbing of the ship depending on which way the ether wind is blowing.
Next, shrouds are spherical, so I'd guess that airships would generally be pretty rounded themselves.
It sounds like warships are typically armored on the sides, but considerably less armored on the top and bottom. Of course, this could just be the case with lighter ships. Their armor may just be concentrated in the places a light ship is more likely to be shot. While heavier (and presumably less agile) ships might have heavier ventral and dorsal armor.
It's not entirely clear whether armor is fully ablative or more 'bouncy', but it looks like most battles are relatively close actions, which means that carrying armor heavy enough to bounce shots may be difficult.
Would think that fire would be a major concern on airships, since they are largely made of wood, and there's no handy ocean to get water from. Probably a fortune to be made in developing light weight firefighting foam, since loading your airship down with (heavy) water is probably not the most useful thing to carry. Though there are some interesting possibilities for water jackets, similar to how tank ammunition is stored in certain tanks.
Airships do have movable planes or winglets as control surfaces, though the airship needs to be going fast enough that there is enough air passing over them to provide much control. Would imply that they have pretty serious manuverability problems at low speeds.
Now clear how the steam engine or steam turbine moves the ship. I guess they turn props?
So would guess that airships look something like whales or zepplins?
Would assume that airships are not made of iron because of the iron rot. All the follow on possibilities, like Duralumin and Beryllium copper are too high tech. Though, in theory, they do probably have enough electrical power to smelt aluminum. Alas, power crystals go into airships, so no spare power for the industrial revolution.
And with no overseas colonies to exploit for more raw materials, I'd guess that resource wars of one sort or another are pretty common.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: crusher_bob on October 06, 2015, 03:49:23 AM ---Next, on to more about how things look and work.
Would assume deploying the webbing is something similar to parachute spider use, since it doesn't seem to need to be directly manipulated by the sailors, just spun out of the ships web masts, or whatever they are called.
It sounds like ship will typically have 4 sets of webbing, which I'd guess are deployed in a + or X shape around the ship. Since it sounds like you don't tack or otherwise change the webbing to sail in different directions I guess it just provides motive power straight ahead, no need chance how the webbing of the ship depending on which way the ether wind is blowing.
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They reel them out, but how much they can reel is limited by the ship size. Ill have to check but i think they mentioned how the Iscica (sp?) had more reels than them as well, being substantially larger than the other vessels. Im still combing it for more references about the direction of the motive force, but Im still thinking the crystals only go up and down, which is why the dives are still the best tactic for speed.
--- Quote ---Next, shrouds are spherical, so I'd guess that airships would generally be pretty rounded themselves.
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It described the shroud as extending out in a radius from the hull, but I dont know if it was literally spherical (emitted in radius from central Core Crystal) or a field that matched the ship shape so some extent. For that matter I need to find a reference to whether it was a direct function of the Core Crystal or if it had additional systems.
--- Quote ---It sounds like warships are typically armored on the sides, but considerably less armored on the top and bottom. Of course, this could just be the case with lighter ships. Their armor may just be concentrated in the places a light ship is more likely to be shot. While heavier (and presumably less agile) ships might have heavier ventral and dorsal armor.
It's not entirely clear whether armor is fully ablative or more 'bouncy', but it looks like most battles are relatively close actions, which means that carrying armor heavy enough to bounce shots may be difficult.
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The cannon fire is etheric in nature just like the gauntlets, to it's possible that the ship armor functions by diverting the energy, much like those etheric silk vests that they were using, rather than traditional plating.
--- Quote ---Would think that fire would be a major concern on airships, since they are largely made of wood, and there's no handy ocean to get water from. Probably a fortune to be made in developing light weight firefighting foam, since loading your airship down with (heavy) water is probably not the most useful thing to carry. Though there are some interesting possibilities for water jackets, similar to how tank ammunition is stored in certain tanks.
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Would be that the same could be said for a Habble made out of wood too... I think the Builders even had rules about such things.
That being said, a firefighting foam or powder or even tanks of inert gas certainly wouldnt be out of the question for their tech level.
--- Quote ---Airships do have movable planes or winglets as control surfaces, though the airship needs to be going fast enough that there is enough air passing over them to provide much control. Would imply that they have pretty serious maneuverability problems at low speeds.
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Now clear how the steam engine or steam turbine moves the ship. I guess they turn props?
So would guess that airships look something like whales or zeppelins?
[/quote]Pretty close. But flat on top. And with Ship-Trees. :)
--- Quote ---Would assume that airships are not made of iron because of the iron rot. All the follow on possibilities, like Duralumin and Beryllium copper are too high tech. Though, in theory, they do probably have enough electrical power to smelt aluminum. Alas, power crystals go into airships, so no spare power for the industrial revolution.
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Wood. Good old fashioned expensive, dangerous, flammable wood. Tar sealants, etc.
--- Quote ---And with no overseas colonies to exploit for more raw materials, I'd guess that resource wars of one sort or another are pretty common.
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True, thought they have a ridiculously dangerous Surface world to exploit when they are crazy enough. Apparently they still do even use overland travel at times.
crusher_bob:
--- Quote from: Quantus on October 07, 2015, 12:50:17 PM ---They reel them out, but how much they can reel is limited by the ship size. Ill have to check but i think they mentioned how the Iscica (sp?) had more reels than them as well, being substantially larger than the other vessels.
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I was under the impression that the Itasca had more webbing to put out just like they had more guns. It's more about how much storage space, 'accounted for' damage resistance, etc that comes from being a both larger and a dedicated warship.
--- Quote ---Im still combing it for more references about the direction of the motive force, but Im still thinking the crystals only go up and down, which is why the dives are still the best tactic for speed.
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Ships has several crystals:
Core crystal / power crystal: most expensive / irreplaceable
Provides main electrical power to energize webbing, power shroud, power main lift crystals
Larger ships (especially warships) may have multiple power crystals.
(Main) lift crystals
Provide the main lifting force that holds airships up. Must be firmly anchored (in the center of the ship?) because the crystal just lifts itself. If the anchorage fails, the lift crystal keeps going up, the ship, not so much.
Larger ship may have more than one lift crystal?
Trim crystals
Used to maintain level (side to side) and trim (up and down) level of the ship. They also provide 'lift' but are much weaker, smaller, and cheaper than the ships main lift crystals. Ship requires several of them (eight, at least?)
Ship can be maneuvered by changing power to the lift crystals, but is rather exacting and wallowing. Main airship maneuvers are managed with rudder/winglets, but those require airflow.
Dives are fast because you can just turn off your lift crystal and do them. No need to worry about how much webbing your can power, or whatever.
--- Quote ---It described the shroud as extending out in a radius from the hull, but I dont know if it was literally spherical (emitted in radius from central Core Crystal) or a field that matched the ship shape so some extent. For that matter I need to find a reference to whether it was a direct function of the Core Crystal or if it had additional systems.
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--- Quote ---The shroud was a field of energy generated by a ship’s crystal power core. When a cannon blast struck the shroud, it illuminated like a hazy, spherical cloud flickering with lightning, absorbing the incoming fire and dispersing its energy safely before it could strike the ship. Shrouds were a strain upon a ship’s core, a tremendous demand upon the core’s energy reserve. One did not simply sail along with the ship’s shroud raised and in place.
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--- Quote ---That being said, a firefighting foam or powder or even tanks of inert gas certainly wouldnt be out of the question for their tech level.
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Had thought that compressed gas would be beyond them, but:
--- Quote ---“What kind of altitude could she take us to, chief?”
Journeyman scratched his ear with one broken-nailed finger. “Seven, maybe eight miles? Way higher’n we could breathe without tanks, anyway
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Quantus:
--- Quote from: crusher_bob on October 07, 2015, 01:58:28 PM ---I was under the impression that the Itasca had more webbing to put out just like they had more guns. It's more about how much storage space, 'accounted for' damage resistance, etc that comes from being a both larger and a dedicated warship.
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Agreed, I just thought it was specifically mentioned, like how it has three Core Crystals. I could easily be wrong though.
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Ship can be maneuvered by changing power to the lift crystals, but is rather exacting and wallowing. Main airship maneuvers are managed with rudder/winglets, but those require airflow.
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I got the impression main maneuvers were accomplished with the etheric silk web, and only used steam or wind power when they could not use their web for some reason (like having it burned away, or needing quiet).
--- Quote ---Dives are fast because you can just turn off your lift crystal and do them. No need to worry about how much webbing your can power, or whatever.
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Agreed, the web appears to be a maneuvering rig. It's related in that it's another drain on the Core's available power, but the web doesnt appear to feed power/electricity anywhere, rather it uses electricity and generates (or captures) motive force.
--- Quote ---Had thought that compressed gas would be beyond them, but:
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In general Id say Compressed Gas will always have to be possible for people with steam power.
knnn:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on September 18, 2015, 08:47:59 PM ---This is what I have so far, but if you can think of something I missed please feel free to add it.
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Pretty sure those 3 ships at the end (Valiant and Victorius and the other one) were cruisers or heavy cruisers.
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