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Watsonian McAnally: the son of the chief physician.

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wizard nelson:
Wow. Impressive thread, truly impressive. You actually catalogued a lot of Harry is Odin references in there I forgot existed too(also Mac is a tall spare man with sometimes wolffish features just like the other too). The only thing, you said you don't like the chosen onecentric plots. It IS very much core to the plot, but only because that's the way it was wrote, if you look at time/events repeating themselves and add in the nudges of free will you actually find Harry is only chosen because of his specific actions or 'path'  another way to say it (click to show/hide)If time repeats itself, and a Merlin archetype will arise anew, so would a mab archetype, last time mab became guard because that's how it went down, per free will effecting the outcome, I lie the idea aurther was one(though Odin actually was not) and of course everyone thinks (click to show/hide)Harry is the next guard so it only appears chosen hero centric from a doyalist view, because that's the story Jim chose to tell. And from a watsonian point, because Harry has been the right one to back by the 'powers that be', though they have had more than one option to watch at.

Argonometra:

--- Quote from: wizard nelson on July 30, 2015, 10:54:06 PM ---you actually find Harry is only chosen because of his specific actions or 'path'
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Aye. The idea that Harry has no more tenacity than your average joe, or that just anybody would do what he's done...it rings false to me. There are plenty of times in the series when most people would give up, or switch sides, but Harry doesn't. Even when his back was broken, when his house was destroyed, he never truly gave up. 'He died doing the right thing.'
There are people like that in the world, but not many. Certainly not so much that we can consider their heroism ordinary.

wizard nelson:
oh i agree, Harry ain't average, on the other hand I can't put myself in Harry's shoes and say I'd do anything one bit of different. I was specifically referring to the other characters that could have risen to point as the hero, marcone for instance is the person to watch in MM where Harry turned out mor for the worse. Meaning someone is always going to be he who steps to the plate. Harry just gets singled out for various reasons, Jim says so, the powers test him, by his own choice and actions he rises. Even compared to N I can think of a reason, but that one I'm going to sit on.. Interesting thing about people who ARE like that in our world, that I can tell any of them would rather have sat down with a cold beer and a good book too.

Eldest Gruff:
Yeah, I may hate the Chosen One trope especially when it facilitates the notion that Harry's been followed or manipulated his whole life. But I accept or recognize when the signs point that way...or at least might point that way...and Mac is far less offensive because he isn't there from the outset, just from the time in Chicago. And his influence, while highly evident, is far more passive than the majority of the other theories like Margaret, Justin, Raith and the Starborn plan or Mab being there all the while and so on. Not that they don't have validity just that its much less 'this is out savior!' and more 'this kid seems interesting, lets keep an eye on him'.

Argonometra:
It's easy figuring out what one should do, what is right. Mustering up the courage and strength to actually do it- that isn't so easy.


--- Quote from: wizard nelson on July 30, 2015, 11:38:36 PM ---as the hero, marcone for instance is the person to watch

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Marcone can kill monsters, but that does not define a hero. He could not have found Lash's heart, or encouraged a panicking Butters, or comforted Kelly as Harry did- these actions matter too. Maybe more than the slaying, because it's many heroes who will fight at Ragnarok- not just a single Chosen One*.
And at the end of the day, Marcone is still a parasite by choice. I don't think that getting magic Chosen One powers would change that- or that he deserves them on any moral, intellectual, or spiritual basis. It's not like there's one slot for a hero and Harry is occupying it, so Marcone can't be one. It's that, knowingly and repeatedly, he made the choice to profit on the suffering of others. And if Harry were absent/evil/dead, Marcone would still make those choices.
It's not like they're fighting over who gets to sit on a particular chair.

* and the mercenaries who want his money

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