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--- Quote from: Mr. Death on June 24, 2015, 05:43:06 PM ---I believe Jim has a quote out there somewhere about a body only being able to contain so much. If Big-Ds were a mantle, they'd be enormously powerful, so I don't see any body containing more than one for any length of time.
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Only if they are all equal. I mean, a Queen can hold her own mantle and the Knights. And I wouldnt put it past Mother Winter to be able to hold the Lady Mantle at least for a while, if no host were immediately available
Plus, that WOJ was in the context of a Mortal taking multiple Mantles, whereas immortals have other rules.
--- Quote ---I'm only going to consider anything a mantle when the books say or imply they are. Just because it's the Big New Word as of Cold Days doesn't mean everything has to be shoehorned into it.
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Im currently proceeding under the assumption that any actual Immortal (per the new CD definition) is a Mantle, based on my read of Bob's explanations about Halloween, conjunctions, etc. Outside of that the only creatures we have confirmed to be Mantles are the Eldest of a given Race of Fae, per WOJ. So yes for Sith and Gruff, No for Lea (by specific WOJ), all others by measure of True Immortality.
I do btw, agree that post-CD Mantles became annoyingly prevalent in every new theory. Including a few of my own :P
peregrine:
If we've got Mantles not belonging to an Immortal (Knighthood) I'm not sure that we should assume that Immortals all have Mantles.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: peregrine on June 25, 2015, 12:34:59 AM ---If we've got Mantles not belonging to an Immortal (Knighthood) I'm not sure that we should assume that Immortals all have Mantles.
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I agree in the spirit of there being too many mantles, but Bob specifically associates true immortality with having a mantle in CD. They go trick or treating on Halloween to try to add to their mantle. I'm reluctant to go against Bob without more support from somewhere.
namkcas:
That makes an assumption that all immortals that are killed on Halloween will actually have their "mantles" transferred. We have exactly no evidence of that. What Bob actually says is that the immortals take small amounts of power from one another (i.e. They Trick or Treat).
Eldest Gruff:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on June 25, 2015, 12:42:56 AM ---I agree in the spirit of there being too many mantles, but Bob specifically associates true immortality with having a mantle in CD. They go trick or treating on Halloween to try to add to their mantle. I'm reluctant to go against Bob without more support from somewhere.
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Could we not just chalk that bit up to a Fae specific conversation since it surrounds Harry having to kill one? And he says 'add power to their mantle' not 'mantles' which would lump them all together more. As in they add to their usually unmalleable state of immortality, their power in general. We find out later in the book at least one immortal feels no need to differentiate between a mask and a mantle, so if Bob is using the more general meaning as opposed to a specific 'everyone's got a mantle like the Fae do' definition then we've got our flexibility even within the same book.
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